Are we recruiting a Juco Quarterback

**Clones85'** · 10-05-2009, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by arganbright2

Remember that Rosenfels guy??? Had more interceptions than touchdowns in his career at ISU

Ohhh and that Wallace character that completed 55% of his passes as a senior and had 14 touchdowns to 18 INT's

Those guys both looked bad throwing the football at times but they did alright. I agree that Arnaud has looked bad throwing the football but he has made up for it with his feet (2 sacks, 65 yards/game rushing). I'm not worried about it at all

You are really really reaching arganbright. Are you really comparing those two to Arnaud? Can't you see a difference in how those guys threw the ball to Arnaud?

Seneca Wallace was an extremely accurate QB who had a poor WR core. He made Jack Whitver look like a stud.

**Knownothing** · 10-05-2009, 02:09 PM

It's not the interceptions. It's the not even close on most of his passes. That is the problem. He is bouncing the ball off the ground on 5 yard outs. None of his passes this year seem clean. They all seem like they are making the receivers make good catches to get them.
He has no faith in his ability to throw the ball.

**Clones85'** · 10-05-2009, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Knownothing

He has no faith in his ability to throw the ball.

This! After every throw watch Arnaud. His reaction tells you all you need to know

**dualthreat** · 10-05-2009, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

You are really really reaching arganbright. Are you really comparing those two to Arnaud? Can't you see a difference in how those guys threw the ball to Arnaud?

Seneca Wallace was an extremely accurate QB who had a poor WR core. He made Jack Whitver look like a stud.

Seneca had sure handed receivers. JW and Lane both had great hands and lane was fast

**Clones85'** · 10-05-2009, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by dualthreat

Seneca had sure handed receivers. JW and Lane both had great hands and lane was fast

It's amazing how sure those hands where when the ball hit them between the #'s. Catch some balls like that and your confidence will be a lot higher than it is when you are having to catch the ball a foot off the ground all the time

**cyclonenum1** · 10-05-2009, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

This is true but we can't hang our hats on it happening just because it did at Rice. We got into trouble thinking the same thing about Greg McDermott and his magical 3rd year

Excuse me, I forgot, nothing positive at ISU can ever be accomplished in short order and Rice certainly has many advantages over ISU with respect to FB.

**Clones85'** · 10-05-2009, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonenum1

Excuse me, I forgot, nothing positive at ISU can ever be accomplished in short order and Rice certainly has many advantages over ISU with respect to FB.

Not sure how you got that out of what I said.

All I said is just because it happened elsewhere doesn't mean it will happen at ISU

**thatguy** · 10-05-2009, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Not sure how you got that out of what I said.

All I said is just because it happened elsewhere doesn't mean it will happen at ISU

Past success does not determine future returns.....

**CYdTracked** · 10-05-2009, 04:54 PM

How are we even comparing Arnaud to Sage and Seneca? Those 2 guys made big plays when it mattered and won games. I'm a big Arnaud supporter but he is a distant 3rd if you wanted to rank him with those 2 guys. He still has this season and next to change that but right now he's really struggling to find consistency in the passing game.

I still think we need to emphasize on recruiting a promising pocket passer in this recruiting class, redshirt him a year and develop him in this offense then let him and Tiller compete for the starting job in 2011. I don't think Tiller is going to be any better than Arnaud this season from what we have seen of him. Both of them are better running the ball than throwing it. I'm still hoping that Arnaud breaks out of this and by the end of the season we are more comfortable with the QB situation than some of us are right now.

**thatguy** · 10-05-2009, 05:08 PM

Great Spread QB's have been in the offense all through high school. It is a very hard offense to just pick up. All the QB's that excel at it have been doing it for about half their lives by the time they start on the big stage. For Austin to just pick it up in 6 months isn't going to happen. However, we all thought he would be farther along than he is now. We weren't going to be world beaters this year anyway, give the kid some more time, let him get famaliar with the timing routes and lets if he isn't any better this time next year, than we start calling for his job. It is worthless and irresponsible to do it now.

**Clones85'** · 10-05-2009, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by thatguy

Great Spread QB's have been in the offense all through high school. It is a very hard offense to just pick up. All the QB's that excel at it have been doing it for about half their lives by the time they start on the big stage. For Austin to just pick it up in 6 months isn't going to happen. However, we all thought he would be farther along than he is now. We weren't going to be world beaters this year anyway, give the kid some more time, let him get famaliar with the timing routes and lets if he isn't any better this time next year, than we start calling for his job. It is worthless and irresponsible to do it now.

This is his 3rd year in a spread offense. Yes, it is a tad different but nobody can really argue that the offensive playcalling has looked much different than last year

**andynel88** · 10-05-2009, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by travman23

How are we even comparing Arnaud to Sage and Seneca? Those 2 guys made big plays when it mattered and won games. I'm a big Arnaud supporter but he is a distant 3rd if you wanted to rank him with those 2 guys. He still has this season and next to change that but right now he's really struggling to find consistency in the passing game.

I'm not saying you're wrong in ranking AA behind those guys, but to say AA doesn't make plays to win the game is ludicrous. He lead ISU on a long drive down the field, completing a 4th and 5, and a long TD pass to tie the game before the PAT was blocked. I don't care if that TD pass was "lucky", he made it. He also was responsible for every TD in that game.
Also, do you remember the 90 yard drive in 90 seconds he lead ISU on the road at UNLV before the D blew it in OT? To say he doesn't make plays to win games is ignoring the facts. His accuracy may not be where you want it but don't make up stuff.

Where would this team be without AA at the helm? I would say a LOT worse off.

**Cyclonestate78** · 10-05-2009, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by kingcy

I doubt it, what would you gain. He would have to learn the system. AA would be worlds ahead of him.

Worlds ahead? The guy skips the ball to our receivers on a 5 yard out pattern.

He may know what he is supposed to do with the ball but knowing what to do and actually doing it are two completely different things.

**Rick** · 10-05-2009, 07:59 PM

I think a lot of you need to go back to last year's posts and read about AA. He has never been a terrific passer. He had some good games but he had the same problems. Maybe he is a good leader on the field and instills confidence in his team.

**arganbright2** · 10-05-2009, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

You are really really reaching arganbright. Are you really comparing those two to Arnaud? Can't you see a difference in how those guys threw the ball to Arnaud?

Seneca Wallace was an extremely accurate QB who had a poor WR core. He made Jack Whitver look like a stud.

Completed 55% of his passes---aside from the Mizzou game where he completed the 18 passes in a row or whatever it was, Wallace was not the accurate passer that everybody else makes him out to be.

What I was saying was that Rosenfels and Wallace both looked bad at times just like Arnaud is right now but that I'm not worried about it. You don't throw for close to 3,000 yards in the Big 12 and forget how to be a QB