We need to remove Iowa from schedule

**Clones85'** · 10-11-2009, 02:15 PM

I know people want to act tough and say we need to beat the best to be the best..........BUT THEY ARE WRONG!!

Look at who Texas played in the non conference this year. How about Florida? Who does TT usually play every non conference? Sisters of the weak, directional schools.

You play them, beat them, go to bowl games, recruit better, and then we are relevant. It is not in our best interest to play Utah and UConn.

**TarHeelHawk** · 10-11-2009, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by clonedude

Just recently we ripped off 5 wins in a row against Iowa and their fans were screaming to have us removed from their schedule. We can get back to that again. Give it time.

I do agree that we should try to get rid of Utah and UConn though. We don't have to be concerned with strength of schedule... we won't be competing for a national title any time soon. Play 3 cupcakes and Iowa every single year IMO.

Ask Virginia Tech if it helps to schedule teams like Alabama in your non-conference games? It doesn't pay in the current system. Florida plays cupcakes every year in the non conference and it doesn't hurt their ranking whatsoever. The system stinks, but you have to deal with the system you have. Cupcake wins are WAY more valuable than losses to really good teams.

That's pretty much what Penn State has done this year, and we all saw what happened to them when they played a team with a pulse. Scheduling cupcakes is fine, but beating up on those teams doesn't really get a team ready for the conference schedule.

It also helps that Florida was ranked #1 to start the year. Everyone remembers how Auburn started 18th in 2004, ran the table, and still got left out - but that's an argument for how the polls shouldn't come out until October, and that's another discussion.

Iowa/ISU is good for both teams. It guarantees both a sellout every year, and right now ISU gets the better end of it financially, and will until 2014. It's basically a free road game due to the minimal travel involved.

**ajk4st8** · 10-11-2009, 02:20 PM

I agree... 4 automatic wins equals bowl games.

You can build a LOT if you go to bowl games every year.

We are a long ways from the whole you need to beat the best to be the best. We dont need to be the best, we need to be average and making bowl games. It sounds quite admirable and tough to want to play the best, but we need to sprinkle in some realistic ideas.

**IcSyU** · 10-11-2009, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by asevcik

Yeah, lets just call ourselves the Hawkeyes and change our colors to black and gold. Much easier than calling ourselves Cougars or Bulls. Plus with names like Houston and South Florida you really probably need to be located in Houston and South Florida - whereas we're already in Iowa.

Lets just stick to being ISU.

However, having her as a fan might be a plus.

Check the edit. You should've been able to figure out from the context that it should've said "beating" instead of "being"

**IcSyU** · 10-11-2009, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

I agree... 4 automatic wins equals bowl games.

You can build a LOT if you go to bowl games every year.

We are a long ways from the whole you need to beat the best to be the best. We dont need to be the best, we need to be average and making bowl games. It sounds quite admirable and tough to want to play the best, but we need to sprinkle in some realistic ideas.

So what are you going to do to make up for the money we're losing on ticket sales/season ticket holders/donations/etc.?

**Clones85'** · 10-11-2009, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

That's pretty much what Penn State has done this year, and we all saw what happened to them when they played a team with a pulse. Scheduling cupcakes is fine, but beating up on those teams doesn't really get a team ready for the conference schedule.

It also helps that Florida was ranked #1 to start the year. Everyone remembers how Auburn started 18th in 2004, ran the table, and still got left out - but that's an argument for how the polls shouldn't come out until October, and that's another discussion.

Iowa/ISU is good for both teams. It guarantees both a sellout every year, and right now ISU gets the better end of it financially, and will until 2014. It's basically a free road game due to the minimal travel involved.

Penn St can still go 10-2 and go to a Jan 1st bowl game. Don't see the problem with having 4 easy wins. And I have a hard time believing that the reason they lost to Iowa is b/c they didn't play anyone prior to the game

**TarHeelHawk** · 10-11-2009, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Penn St can still go 10-2 and go to a Jan 1st bowl game. Don't see the problem with having 4 easy wins. And I have a hard time believing that the reason they lost to Iowa is b/c they didn't play anyone prior to the game

You don't think that playing Temple, Syracuse, and Akron before they played Iowa had anything to do with Penn State not being able to respond when they needed to? They hadn't been in that situation before then, and had no idea how to deal with it, which was obvious.

**acgclone** · 10-11-2009, 02:41 PM

Horrible idea. We need to keep Iowa, but I do agree that you want to have 3 other very winnable OOC games. You don't want to have too easy of a schedule, but you also don't want to stack the deck against yourself either.

On the other hand, you could say that's exactly what we've been doing for 30 years and it isn't working.

**Tre4ISU** · 10-11-2009, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

You don't think that playing Temple, Syracuse, and Akron before they played Iowa had anything to do with Penn State not being able to respond when they needed to? They hadn't been in that situation before then, and had no idea how to deal with it, which was obvious.

Agree completely. For one thing this is Iowa we are talking about. They are a long way from an elite program. It's not like we are talking about Florida or Texas. They are team that year in and year out we have a chance to beat. If we lose, well, we were supposed to, and if we win we get a little recognition. I feel it is a great game to have so that we are prepared to face our conference.

**A-town Cy** · 10-11-2009, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneML

oh, and Utah too. How did Snyder build a program at Kstate? 4 cupcakes early to start the year 4-0.

Sounds like you need to remove your tampon.

**Clones85'** · 10-11-2009, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk

You don't think that playing Temple, Syracuse, and Akron before they played Iowa had anything to do with Penn State not being able to respond when they needed to? They hadn't been in that situation before then, and had no idea how to deal with it, which was obvious.

Your right. Clark and his 2 plus years of experience had never been in a situation like that before

I'm not saying that playing those teams helped Penn St when they played against Iowa. Just that it was not the reason they lost either. In the end, they have 4 easy wins on thier schedule, and when you add in the fact that they play in the Big 10, 9-3 is the worst they will do. 9-3 gets you a Jan Bowl game and good exposure. Who cares if you are not that good and don't deserve to be there? That doesn't show up on the history books.

**Aclone** · 10-11-2009, 03:06 PM

Crazy thought--how about if we just go ahead and beat Iowa. Oh, and Utah, too?

**ajk4st8** · 10-11-2009, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by IcSyU

So what are you going to do to make up for the money we're losing on ticket sales/season ticket holders/donations/etc.?

Going to more bowl games takes care of all of those things.

I like the Iowa game, but I can totally see the argument against.

**CyCloned** · 10-11-2009, 03:10 PM

Iowa is a natural game for ISU. Don't act like we are scheduling USC or Florida. Iowa is a good team, but they are not unbeatable, look at the recent history of the series. This year is the first game in several years where ISU was completely handled by Iowa, and that was mostly due to very poor exicusion by the QB.

I tend to agree on the Utah game. They have been a very good team over the last few years and with the south rotation getting back to the good teams there will be plenty of chances to play ranked teams.