Look like you have two teams in the same situation

**ajk4st8** · 10-12-2009, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by iconoclast1

The only similarity is that both teams have suffered significant injuries. In Baylor's case, those injuries have pushed ISU out of the "sure win" category into the "could win" division. You are correct in that BU must win this weekend.

But I'd stay away from the "until they leave the Big X12" smack. There's more talk about ISU being a school out these days than Baylor and it's for a very simply reason . . . ISU adds absolutely nothing to the conference. But then, somebody has to be the 12th school, or the conference couldn't be called the Big 12. Right?

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**ISUAlum2002** · 10-12-2009, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by iconoclast1

The only similarity is that both teams have suffered significant injuries. In Baylor's case, those injuries have pushed ISU out of the "sure win" category into the "could win" division. You are correct in that BU must win this weekend.

But I'd stay away from the "until they leave the Big X12" smack. There's more talk about ISU being a school out these days than Baylor and it's for a very simply reason . . . ISU adds absolutely nothing to the conference. But then, somebody has to be the 12th school, or the conference couldn't be called the Big 12. Right?

LOL. How many Big 12 Championships does Baylor hold in the top two revenue sports?

Keep in mind that no one cares who your top shot putter or hurdler is. We're talking men's basketball and football here.

**MontyBurns** · 10-12-2009, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by iconoclast1

There's more talk about ISU being a school out these days than Baylor and it's for a very simply reason . . . ISU adds absolutely nothing to the conference. But then, somebody has to be the 12th school, or the conference couldn't be called the Big 12. Right?

Both ISU and Baylor do add a lot to the conference. We are willing to spend what it takes to participate fully in conference sports while participating on partially in sharing conference revenues. How are Texas & Oklahoma going to get 10+ wins a year without paying appearance fees to Conference USA and MAC schools unless they have Baylor and ISU to kick around?

**ajk4st8** · 10-12-2009, 10:07 PM

Baylor is basically the Big 12 mens and womens tennis dynasty.

They have 1 WBB championship

2 baseball championships

1 Mens golf championship.

1 Soccer championship.

Yup pretty much all sports that nobody gives a crap about (minus baseball)

**usedcarguy** · 10-12-2009, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by iconoclast1

The only similarity is that both teams have suffered significant injuries. In Baylor's case, those injuries have pushed ISU out of the "sure win" category into the "could win" division. You are correct in that BU must win this weekend.

But I'd stay away from the "until they leave the Big X12" smack. There's more talk about ISU being a school out these days than Baylor and it's for a very simply reason . . . ISU adds absolutely nothing to the conference. But then, somebody has to be the 12th school, or the conference couldn't be called the Big 12. Right?

I take exception to your first post. We have been competitive in most sports except football.

**Tre4ISU** · 10-12-2009, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by usedcarguy

I take exception to your first post. We have been competitive in most sports except football.

You have never been close to achieving anything big in basketball. You can talk about the other sports all you want but when it comes down to it, football and basketball rule and you have done nothing in either.

**iconoclast1** · 10-12-2009, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

Baylor is basically the Big 12 mens and womens tennis dynasty.

They have 1 WBB championship

2 baseball championships

1 Mens golf championship.

1 Soccer championship.

Yup pretty much all sports that nobody gives a crap about (minus baseball)

This from a guy on a web site that has a wrestling forum?

**Tre4ISU** · 10-12-2009, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Stewo

This, coming from a Baylor fan is just too good.

Pretty rich isn't it?

**ajk4st8** · 10-12-2009, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by iconoclast1

The only similarity is that both teams have suffered significant injuries. In Baylor's case, those injuries have pushed ISU out of the "sure win" category into the "could win" division. You are correct in that BU must win this weekend.

But I'd stay away from the "until they leave the Big X12" smack. There's more talk about ISU being a school out these days than Baylor and it's for a very simply reason . . . ISU adds absolutely nothing to the conference. But then, somebody has to be the 12th school, or the conference couldn't be called the Big 12. Right?

Originally Posted by iconoclast1

This from a guy on a web site that has a wrestling forum?

Hope to see you in Ames this weekend! Stop by Hilton and look around at our Mens Basketball titles.

Every team in the conference can laugh about us having a Big 12 North cotitle. except Baylor.

**CycoT** · 10-12-2009, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by iconoclast1

The only similarity is that both teams have suffered significant injuries. In Baylor's case, those injuries have pushed ISU out of the "sure win" category into the "could win" division. You are correct in that BU must win this weekend.

But I'd stay away from the "until they leave the Big X12" smack. There's more talk about ISU being a school out these days than Baylor and it's for a very simply reason . . . ISU adds absolutely nothing to the conference. But then, somebody has to be the 12th school, or the conference couldn't be called the Big 12. Right?

Well unless we want to be like the Big 10...

**Tre4ISU** · 10-12-2009, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by iconoclast1

This from a guy on a web site that has a wrestling forum?

So I bet wrestling doesn't count, but baseball and tennis probably do.

**bosco** · 10-12-2009, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by iconoclast1

The only similarity is that both teams have suffered significant injuries. In Baylor's case, those injuries have pushed ISU out of the "sure win" category into the "could win" division. You are correct in that BU must win this weekend.

But I'd stay away from the "until they leave the Big X12" smack. There's more talk about ISU being a school out these days than Baylor and it's for a very simply reason . . . ISU adds absolutely nothing to the conference. But then, somebody has to be the 12th school, or the conference couldn't be called the Big 12. Right?

ISU and Baylor are not leaving the conference. We are the few schools that add any academic legitimacy to the conference.

**Tre4ISU** · 10-12-2009, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by iconoclast1

The only similarity is that both teams have suffered significant injuries. In Baylor's case, those injuries have pushed ISU out of the "sure win" category into the "could win" division. You are correct in that BU must win this weekend.

But I'd stay away from the "until they leave the Big X12" smack. There's more talk about ISU being a school out these days than Baylor and it's for a very simply reason . . . ISU adds absolutely nothing to the conference. But then, somebody has to be the 12th school, or the conference couldn't be called the Big 12. Right?

When you guys hang a banner in a big boy sport, let us know.

**iconoclast1** · 10-12-2009, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by yaman3

So I bet wrestling doesn't count, but baseball and tennis probably do.

Hey, I wasn't the guy discounting competitiveness in all sports. And just so you'll know, ISU does have more Big 12 titles than Kansas State and Missouri:

Big 12 titles by division

North Division
Colorado 27
Iowa State 11
Kansas 20
Kansas State 7
Missouri 5
Nebraska 66

South Division
Baylor 34
Oklahoma 34
Oklahoma State 31
Texas 99
Texas A&M 38
Texas Tech 9

**gwoodclone** · 10-12-2009, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by iconoclast1

This from a guy on a web site that has a wrestling forum?

Ouch

Men's Basketball Big 12 Championships:

ISU - 3
BU - 0

Men's NCAA Tournament Appearances since the formation of the Big 12:

ISU - 4
BU - 1

Bowl Appearances since the formation of the Big 12:

ISU - 5
BU - 0

The numbers don't lie. Baylor has clearly added more to the Big 12 than Iowa State in the two main sports.