Look like you have two teams in the same situation

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Originally Posted by BaldingBear

ISU is back on Baylor's schedule in 2012 in Waco, i believe it is the conference opener. So barring further injuries or other misfortune the Cyclones will be on the field with RG3 again.
Best of luck this weekend and the rest of the year.

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I suppose you would consider Griffin going pro early to be "misfortune"? :wink:

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Originally Posted by trajanJ

All this talk about teams getting kicked out of the conference is crazy. Most conferences are trying to get bigger not smaller. If anything we go to 14 teams.

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Anyone who really pays attention to this conference knows very well that Iowa State and Baylor are not even close to the teams that should or could be replaced. Good academics, and competitive in every sport except football (at least for now). It's just a matter of time before ISU and Baylor are winners again in football anyway. It's cyclicle, and always will be. Unfortunately for Baylor, the world has witnessed the worst of times in the entire programs history.

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Originally Posted by jaretac

Then how do you explain that ISU has had more victories against south opponents than Baylor? I'm not denying that the North isn't as strong, however like others have said that hasn't always been the case, but ISU has still been better than Baylor despite the difference.

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In regards to the past 15 years...that is a true statement.

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Originally Posted by stateofmind

I agree that you would've performed as well if not better IF you got to still be located in the best state for recruiting and competed against the North teams instead of the South. But try recruiting to Iowa in the winter and compete in the North, it's not as easy. There is a reason the South is stronger than the North, it has to do with climate for the most part. Thankfully global warming will level the playing field next year if Nobel-winner Al Gore is correct. :jimlad:

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Just took a quick look at Baylors recruits since 2006. Only 3 have been from outside the state of Texas and none of those have been in the past two years. That is a HUGE advantage for the recruiting budget. Iowa State had recruits from about 9 different states just in 2008.

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Originally Posted by cyhiphopp

Just took a quick look at Baylors recruits since 2006. Only 3 have been from outside the state of Texas and none of those have been in the past two years. That is a HUGE advantage for the recruiting budget. Iowa State had recruits from about 9 different states just in 2008.

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How many states can you reach by driving, say, 150 miles? Is there a penalty for crossing state lines?

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Originally Posted by Bear1979

In regards to the past 15 years...that is a true statement.

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That's what we are referring to, since the Big 12 foundation sense we really never played the same teams before that it would be hard to compare. I don't have a problem with Baylor and ISU hasn't really done anything that terrific either.

If you spend any time on here you will realize that most of us are fairly realistic about how bad we have been compared to some of the other teams. I just have issues with the Baylor troll that has been on here saying that Baylor is so much better than ISU. As a fan he has a right to think that, but wish he would realize that he doesn't have a leg to stand on. We both suck, but if you want to debate who sucks more, that would be Baylor.

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Originally Posted by iconoclast1

How many states can you reach by driving, say, 150 miles? Is there a penalty for crossing state lines?

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There are allot of states surrounding Iowa, however, allot of the recruits are coming from Florida, Texas, and California. That is way further than 150 miles.

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Originally Posted by iconoclast1

How many states can you reach by driving, say, 150 miles? Is there a penalty for crossing state lines?

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Yes, if we cross into Nebraska we are instantly overwhelmed by Husker D-Bags. :jimlad:

We can reach the Minnesota state Line and the Missouri state line in less than 150 miles. Nebraska and Illinois are both more than 150 miles from Ames. However, there are more D1 recruits in Texas than IA, MN, MO, and NE combined. IL is Big10/Notre Dame country so that hurts.
A large number of ISU recruits come from TX, FL, and even some from CA. That is a lot of distance to travel and more money for out of state tuition on scholarships.
Trust me, it makes a difference. ISU literally has to work harder than any school in the Big12 for recruits. We have to do more with less money than any other school. Even K-State has an advantage with the Kansas in-state JuCos.

So what you are saying is that few youngsters who live close by want to play football at ISU?

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Originally Posted by iconoclast1

So what you are saying is that few youngsters who live close by want to play football at ISU?

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There are less youngsters who are able to play Big12 football nearby period. Iowa HS football isn't exactly at the same level as Texas. There are more D1 recruits from Houston than from the entire state of Iowa I think.
It is tough to play the location card in recruiting when you are asking kids from the south to move hundreds of miles from home.

Imagine if Baylor had to recruit almost exclusively from Kentucky, New Mexico and Colorado (for example) and only had 5 in-state recruits per year.

So how do you explains Nebraska's recruiting success (over the years)? Kansas hasn't done too badly lately, either. I think both those states are close to Iowa, aren't they?

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Originally Posted by iconoclast1

So how do you explains Nebraska's recruiting success (over the years)? Kansas hasn't done too badly lately, either. I think both those states are close to Iowa, aren't they?

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Nebraska has a name, pure and simple. The reason Nebraska has that name is because they use to run the ball incessantly and was good at it and Nebraska has always produced good linemen. Kansas' recruits are coming from the same place our recruits are coming from, but Kansas is further south and they also have a name (in Basketball but a name none the less).

Just so you know, right now ISU has three commits from texas, two from Iowa, two from California, one from SD, and one from Florida. Compare that to Baylor who doesn't have a single commit outside the state of Texas.

You make that sound as though it's a bad thing. Some of your brethren were just making the point that BU doesn't need to recruit outside Texas. Even so, sometimes we do . . .

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Originally Posted by iconoclast1

So how do you explains Nebraska's recruiting success (over the years)? Kansas hasn't done too badly lately, either. I think both those states are close to Iowa, aren't they?

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Nebraska has a name, pure and simple. The reason Nebraska has that name is because they use to run the ball incessantly and was good at it and Nebraska has always produced good linemen. Kansas' recruits are coming from the same place our recruits are coming from, but Kansas is further south and they also have a name (in Basketball but a name none the less).

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First of all I would hope you know that Nebraska and Kansas are close to Iowa.
Nebraska has won national titles before, is the only D1 school in the state and sells out about80k seats for every home game. They have a lot of dough to throw around. They get their best recruits from out of state. Even with all of that advantage, ISU still had some success against them in the early 2000's.

Kansas, because of their success in B-ball, has more money to throw around as well. Before they made a commitment to football, KU was worse than ISU. They are benefiting a lot right now from having a stable coaching staff. Give ISU 6 years with Rhoads and company and I like our chances.

According to ESPN, Texas has 1055 recurits for this up coming year, Iowa has 62, Nebraska has less than 30, even Illinois has less than 500.