We're just too thin in scholarship players at DE.
So considering all of our graduation losses, it only makes sense to sprinkle in some jucos to fill holes in the depth chart--since we probably aren't going to be in on the elite high schoolers that would prepared for substantial minutes early--though I'm sure that someone like Mike Douglas would be on the field.
And I do think Paul is the right guy, which is why I feel he will do as I noted - and you restated - bring in a few guys that can help us right away.
The toughest position to recruit is defensive line - period.
Your analogy to solving our DL is a leaky seal?????
The difference is, by buying a new seal and putting it in, your problem is solved....how this translates to developing a young man into an impact defensive player i have no idea - you do...but, my thought process for bringing 1-2 DL like i said in my previous posts is that our DL needs an infusion of talent. It may not be starting talent, but, it would be talent to allow a freshman or redshirt freshman to develop and then play as a redshirt soph or junior senior. If you look at the good teams, usually they never have a fresh or soph crack the DL because it takes that long just to get your body prepared to face big 12 talent lineman. To me, recruiting a JUCO is much closer to a DIV 1 prospect then a high school kid. Having gone the JUCO route if they make it, they know what its like in college - away from home usually and have a college level of understanding football that is not taught at high school levels....I'm not hatin on High Schoolers - i agree the road to long term success is through high school developing talent. But, if your team is having success and a weakness is spotted, why not seek out a player that either may be a starter or provide your younger players the time to develop.
I never said anything about Knott at DE - Scott yes, i want Knott at linebacker, reminds me of Chad Greenway.....
I'm not looking at a quick fix, i'm looking at a position that has questionable depth following this year, especially depth that has actually seen the field. Case in point, Jerrod Black....he was the practice team player of the year last year, supposed to be a beast....and he's not played a snap...why???? My answer - mentally or physically he's not ready!!!!
To me, Coach Rhoads and his staff especially Wally Burnham know what they need to compete and are in it for the long haul.....to me, if they think we need 12 jucos, we should support them......for me, if Wally can turn a athletic but ineffective offensive tackle into a 3 time big east defensive end and soon to be 3 time all american, i know this guy knows what it takes to develop a player.....
I'm all in!!!!!
Exactly...They are getting paid to coach a collegiate football program and we aren't. They obviously have a much better idea of our needs that any of us do.Quote:
To me, Coach Rhoads and his staff especially Wally Burnham know what they need to compete and are in it for the long haul.....
IMO this team will have the offense that is BCS bowl-worthy. And I think that the DBs will be good enough IF there is a pass rush. What is holding the team back is the front 7. They HAVE to get a pass rush out of the DEs. Without it, they waste that great offense. So if that means slighting a few other positions and loading up on more JUCOs for the front 7, I'm all for it. I think that they'll get 3, but if it were me, I'd go 4-5.
On thing to consider.....this is how you get in this position in the first place...
2007 Recruiting Class:
Randy Kellman - DE gone
Christopher Lyle - DE juco - Senior
Black - DT - Redhirt So
M. Tate - DT juco Grad.
C. Weir - DT juco Grad.
Bibbs - LB juco Grad.
Fabian Brown - LB non qualifier
Anthony Green - LB non qualifier
Curtiz Mathis - LB non qualifier
If these guys had all qualified and stayed around, we would be looking at a different group of redshirt sophmores with two more years to play....how would our linebacking corp be different - and thus our recruiting needs. If everything is working correctly, your recruiting for 2-3 years in advance to either redshirt and play or play as soph/junior. thats in effect what a JUCO recruit is....simply has not been in the system for two years. David Sims has shown that if you have the ability, you can adapt to a defensive system quickly. Understanding it to take full advantage of these athletes abilities does take time i agree.
I will stick to my original opinion. For every JUCO you bring in, you still need to pring in a high school recruit at that position to develop if there is a NEED at that position. If you are simply picking up a guy out of JUCO because he is really good and you don't specifically NEED that position filled then you don't need the tag-a-long freshman. In our situation, I feel that we need freshman along with any JUCO we get because you cannot have that two year lag of not having someone there. What this does is cuts our scholarships down in positions not of dear need. I fell we need 2-3 game changers. I don't care if they are high school kids or JUCOs, but if they are JUCOs we need high school kids to develop.
Did anyone else read the article in last weeks SI about TCU? They recruit Texas RBs and QBs and convert them to defensive players and have found great success. Of course it's nice being in Texas and they admit that they get the leftovers from UT, but they want the guys with a chip on their shoulder. Why can't ISU do that? We've converted RBs to play at defensive back in the past, so why couldn't we find those bigger RBs (like Schwartz) and move them to DE or find maybe a smaller TE with great hands and stick them at LB or on the line?
I am ignorant of the talent of our DL redshirts. I'm not dissing anyone, but judging from those who have seen the field this year. We need 4 guys that I have not seen yet. I don't know what the exact odds are, but Juco's are something like 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 success rates. I would take 3 or 4 good DE Juco prospects; and everywhere else on the D, recruit freshmen and develop. I know how tough our schedule looks next couple years, but we have a really good looking offense coming back. I think we can fill the center position (though Reggie is a very good one), and surely a tight end will emerge from that list of tall good-looking players on our roster.
But we need a deep threat WR to play next year. And, we need to find one good Juco DE who can get some pressure on the QB - and he has to play right away. Those 2 things, and we are very dangerous in 2010.