No. Chizik recruited both of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by zach
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No. Chizik recruited both of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by zach
The majority of our rooster is always going to be Iowa kids. A few coaches in the past have not recruited Iowa kids and have suffered. Jim Walden(may have recriuted them but has admitted that Hayden destroyed him in in-state recruiting), Jim Criner ran the program into the ground, Gene Cizik totally ignored the state and had he stayed long enough would have suffered for it. The only 2 guys in the last 30+ years to recruit Iowa well are Dan McCarney(5 bowl games) and Paul Rhodes(the future is looking bright so far). Wake up people it does matter.
No GC 'offered them' that is a far cry from recruiting them. He didn't even recruit James Kohler.
You are mistaken on so many levels, I don't know where to begin. For example, iof Chizik "ignored the state", where did guys like Jake McDonough come from? And McCarney--don't get me started. Sure, he signed some iowa kids who played--but he also, every class, signed Iowa kids who were never going to see the field--and those wasted scholarships, the dead weight on the roster, were one of the reasons for his demise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigguns
Oh yeah, and Donnie Duncan whupped Fry's rear end in his first signing class. Fry got Reggie Roby, but Duncan got the rest of the state's top prospects--including John "Landshark" Arnaud. Guess what good cleaning up instate did him?
And I don't think we are anymore.
And Chizik wanted Wegher at least, very badly.
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Originally Posted by Bigguns
Great post, bigguns. Rhoads knows the success of his program will depend greatly on winning the in-state recruiting battles w/Iowa, which we have lost lately (look at our record).
He learned his style from Mac and has returned to ISU with Mac's intensity regarding talent in our own backyard.
I'm with you - we recruit Iowa hard, and we go to bowl games. Sounds simple to me...
Did he not also sign kids from Florida and Texas who were dead weight on the roster and were never going to see the field. That argument is so bogus EVERY coach signs players who aren't going to make it. We have had 1 coach in 30 years take us to a bowl game, he was also without a doubt the best instate and out of state recruiter in the same time period and you know more than him. OK..........OK. Please give it up the #'s don't lie. 5 bowl games under Mac, 0 bowl games under the 5 previous coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aclone
getting Iowa kids is if you get the ones that can play. Iowa has gotten the ones they wanted for the past 4 years, and if you don't think so you are kidding yourself. ISU is way behind Iowa and the success they are having this year is not going to make it easy for CPR. I agree with the poster above that Mac signed a lot of Iowa kids that never were going to contribute. I think every coach at a school that is struggling for wins needs to take a few projects. Mac just took too many.
[quote=Bigguns;1333635]Did he not also sign kids from Florida and Texas who were dead weight on the roster and were never going to see the field.
I asked an ISU player about that once, while we were talking football. Wide-eyed, he told me that they weren't allowed to talk about it.Quote:
Again, you are mistaken. No, he didn't. He did have some who were injured along the way, and quite a few that dropped out, but he didn't have any that were dead weight just sucking up a schollie for five years because they simply didn't have even the minimal athleticism to play.
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5 bowl games under Mac, 0 bowl games under the 5 previous coaches.
What does that have to do with anything? Anything at all? After all, the program also totally collapsed after that last bowl game. Maybe, had Mac not signed all of those Iowans (especially all the OL the last few years), it would have been six bowl games, or seven, or eight...
Bowl games are the measuring stick for a program like ISU. I have always said that Mac's loyalty to his staff and a few bad hires had more to do with his downfall than poor recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aclone
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Originally Posted by Bobber
MANY of those guys were walk ons... We really need to push hard to get some of those borderline kids to walk on and let them know that they can get a scholly... Giving scholarships to borderline kids just because they are in-state is far too risky, but getting them to walk-on is a win win situation...
That raises a good question: How is Paul Rhoads doing at building a useful walkon program? I know some coaches emphasize it more than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by cybsball20
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Originally Posted by LindenCy
Not sure... But we need to make sure those kids considering a scholarship to somewhere like UNI think long and hard about walking on here instead.
You will never hear the instate argument from me, get the best player possible for our team, I could care less where their from, only matters where they go: Iowa State
Duane Hatfield and Jeff Woody are great walk-onsQuote:
Originally Posted by cybsball20