Big 12 commissioner worried Insight will pass on Missouri

**jdoggivjc** · 12-03-2009, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

Unless you are privy to the discussion between the Big 12 and the bowls, you have provided absolutely no proof for your claim that conference record is irrelevant with regards to bowl selection among the Big 12 teams. If you have such proof, please provide it, and I will accept your claim with my sincere apology for challenging your assertion.

What's to be privy on? Postseason play is not based on conference records. If it was, K-State would be playing in a bowl. I don't know how many times it has to be said before it finally sinks in...

**alarson** · 12-03-2009, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by tleonwdm

Big 12 hoping for more lenient bowl requirements - ESPN

Looks like Beebe doesn't know what he wants.........Maybe at the time he was worried about some of the southern schools just making bowl eligibility.

thats priceless.

**gwoodclone** · 12-03-2009, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by tleonwdm

Big 12 hoping for more lenient bowl requirements - ESPN

Looks like Beebe doesn't know what he wants.........Maybe at the time he was worried about some of the southern schools just making bowl eligibility.

Wow. Just wow. I had forgotten about that. Beebe is a *******.

Can we PLEASE move to the Big 10?

**BigBake** · 12-03-2009, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by tleonwdm

Big 12 hoping for more lenient bowl requirements - ESPN

Looks like Beebe doesn't know what he wants.........Maybe at the time he was worried about some of the southern schools just making bowl eligibility.

Mr Beebe...ah...I see you foot and mouth have already been introduced.

**Jarrods79** · 12-03-2009, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by tleonwdm

Big 12 hoping for more lenient bowl requirements - ESPN

Looks like Beebe doesn't know what he wants.........Maybe at the time he was worried about some of the southern schools just making bowl eligibility.

Ok, it is clear there needs to be a change in leadership. I don't know how anyone can support Dan "Double Standard" Beebe and his failures.

**DaddyMac** · 12-03-2009, 03:56 PM

Alright ....

I agree that Mr Beebe should've shut his trap in this morning's KC Star piece. And that it shows an amount of favoritism by the conference.

But I think you guys are putting too much into this piece. If KSU were eligible, we'd be on the outside of 8 ties, and a conference with 9 eligible teams. And a better draw of ISU at 6-6 for an at large bowl might get left at home (by NCAA rules) over a 7-5 mid-major who'd take 5000 people to a bowl.

This one works in our favor - almost always. The two aren't all that comparable.

**MNCyGuy** · 12-03-2009, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

Alright ....

I agree that Mr Beebe should've shut his trap in this morning's KC Star piece. And that it shows an amount of favoritism by the conference.

But I think you guys are putting too much into this piece. If KSU were eligible, we'd be on the outside of 8 ties, and a conference with 9 eligible teams. And a better draw of ISU at 6-6 might get left at home (by NCAA rules) over a 7-5 mid-major who'd take 5000 people to a bowl.

This one works in our favor. Almost always.

That doesn't sound like it works in our favor at all.

**DaddyMac** · 12-03-2009, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by MNCyGuy

That doesn't sound like it works in our favor at all.

How so?

Current rules state 6-6 automatically stays at home inlieu of 7-5, regardless of draw.

This proposal takes that away.

One issue is about getting our teams in OTHER bowls, today's is about the order of the Big XII affliated bowls.

**Skyh13** · 12-03-2009, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by isuaggie

Yes. Quite a few have posted their emails in this thread. I suggest you join the party. His email address is at the beginning of the tread (page 2or3 I believe).

EDIT: dan@big12sports.com

I was referring more to actually pointing out the hypocrisy that he's not worried about a 7-5 Oklahoma and potentially a 6-6 TAMU getting picked over Mizzou as well.

**Jarrods79** · 12-03-2009, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

How so?

Current rules state 6-6 automatically stays at home inlieu of 7-5, regardless of draw.

This proposal takes that away.

One issue is about getting our teams in OTHER bowls, today's is about the order of the Big XII affliated bowls.

Yeah, that proposal reported back in early November would work in our favor...HOWEVER...Beebe is going against that by lobbying for an 8-4 team over a 6-6 team. That is contradictory.

**LindenCy** · 12-03-2009, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Skyh13

I was referring more to actually pointing out the hypocrisy that he's not worried about a 7-5 Oklahoma and potentially a 6-6 TAMU getting picked over Mizzou as well.

A very strong point.

**CyFan987** · 12-03-2009, 04:03 PM

we also need to be sending emails to the Insight Bowl if we seriously want this to happen, it should help, but also keep up the emails to JP and the *******

**snowcraig2.0** · 12-03-2009, 04:06 PM

JP should be doing 3 things:

Sending the Insight execs clips of all the ISU fans at the game in '00.

Taking Jim Delany out to dinner

Flipping Don Beebe the bird as we move to the Big 10 in time for the 2010 FB season, leaving the Big 12 scrambling (I know this wouldn't happen, but it would be sweet).

**DaddyMac** · 12-03-2009, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Jarrods79

Yeah, that proposal reported back in early November would work in our favor...HOWEVER...Beebe is going against that by lobbying for an 8-4 team over a 6-6 team. That is contradictory.

See I don't think so.

One is about rules, one is about "deserving".

How many times have we had mid-majors undefeated or same records as the BCS championship teams. (heck - the championship team might have had WORSE records). Why were they there? Percieved worthiness over a mid major despite the record.

He's not saying a 6-6 team should go, just to be put up for equal consideration. IE - trying to get more teams eligible.

Today he was saying the should go. (and again, I think she should be drawn and quartered for it)

**jbhtexas** · 12-03-2009, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

What's to be privy on? Postseason play is not based on conference records. If it was, K-State would be playing in a bowl. I don't know how many times it has to be said before it finally sinks in...

There are two separate issues here.

One issue is that of bowl eligibility, which is defined by the NCAA. K-State is not playing in a bowl because of a general NCAA regulation preventing them from participating in post season play.

The second, and completely separate issue, is that of which teams go to what bowls within a conference. There are no NCAA rules that I am aware of regulating or defining how the non-BCS bowls choose teams from the conferences with which they have agreements. Conference and bowls are free to decide those criteria.

Just because KSU is eliminated by their overall record due to NCAA regulation doesn't mean that conference record might not be considered when it comes to a bowl choosing who they want. Yes, in this case, it appears that nobody really wants Missouri, probably based on poor fan support.