Big 12 commissioner worried Insight will pass on Missouri

**MNCyGuy** · 12-03-2009, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

See I don't think so.

One is about rules, one is about "deserving".

How many times have we had mid-majors undefeated or same records as the BCS championship teams. (heck - the championship team might have had WORSE records). Why were they there? Percieved worthiness over a mid major despite the record.

He's not saying a 6-6 team should go, just to be put up for equal consideration. IE - trying to get more teams eligible.

Today he was saying the should go. (and again, I think she should be drawn and quartered for it)

Ok, I wasn't disagreeing that the actual policy in place works in our favor...the rest of your original post was confusing.

**Stelrs1995** · 12-03-2009, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Phenom

I'm not crying and agree that the commissioner should stay out of it. I think it's fair for me to feel slighted though considering the ratings and attendance Mizzou has mustered the last four years or so. You can feel slighted too.

His post didn't even deserve a response imo. Mizzou would be the one getting slighted here and we all agree. Personally I would rather go to Houston, but only because it would fit in better with my road trip to South Padre Island. I guess Phoenix wouldn't be too bad of a detour, only about 1200 miles.

**jdoggivjc** · 12-03-2009, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

Unless you are privy to the discussion between the Big 12 and the bowls, you have provided absolutely no proof for your claim that conference record is irrelevant with regards to bowl selection order among the Big 12 teams. If you have such proof, please provide it, and I will accept your claim with my sincere apology for challenging your assertion.

Fine, jbh - I'll be your Huckleberry on this.

2006. K-State, KU, and OSU all finish at 6-6, except K-State finished conference at 4-4 while both KU and OSU finish at 3-5. OSU goes to the independence, K-State goes to the Texas, and KU stays home. Tell me - how did conference record play in there?

**jbhtexas** · 12-03-2009, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

Fine, jbh - I'll be your Huckleberry on this.

2006. K-State, KU, and OSU all finish at 6-6, except K-State finished conference at 4-4 while both KU and OSU finish at 3-5. OSU goes to the independence, K-State goes to the Texas, and KU stays home. Tell me - how did conference record play in there?

I don't know what part conference record played, because I wasn't present when the bowls were making their decisions about who to take.

However, simply based observation alone:

KSU 4-4 bowl
OSU 3-5 bowl
KU 3-5 no bowl

You might conclude that a poorer conference record cost KU a bowl bid, since a 4-4 team went and both 3-5 teams didn't. Then again, maybe conference record didn't matter at all. I don't have time to go research what was going on back then.

**GoShow97** · 12-03-2009, 04:51 PM

I would prefer if the NCAA made a rule banning 6-6 teams from bowling.

Only teams with winning record should be eligible. But the all mighty dollar trumps rewarding teams based on merit and achieving a winning record. Another example of the pussification of America. Everyone is a winner. Everyone gets a blue ribbon. Sorry, 6-6 teams don't earn the right to go bowling.

**agcy68** · 12-03-2009, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by GoShow97

I would prefer if the NCAA made a rule banning 6-6 teams from bowling.

Only teams with winning record should be eligible. But the all mighty dollar trumps rewarding teams based on merit and achieving a winning record. Another example of the pussification of America. Everyone is a winner. Everyone gets a blue ribbon. Sorry, 6-6 teams don't earn the right to go bowling.

I know what you are saying and can appreciate that thinking, but on the other side, how much harder would it be to get a struggling FB program up to competitive without the extra exposure that bowl participation delivers.

**ISUcy08** · 12-03-2009, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by GoShow97

I would prefer if the NCAA made a rule banning 6-6 teams from bowling.

Only teams with winning record should be eligible. But the all mighty dollar trumps rewarding teams based on merit and achieving a winning record. Another example of the pussification of America. Everyone is a winner. Everyone gets a blue ribbon. Sorry, 6-6 teams don't earn the right to go bowling.

I understand, but can't you just enjoy this!? We get to watch our team one more game, it's extra practice, exposure, it rewards our players, and helps with recruiting. This viewpoint is getting old. I will never complain with a bowl game!

**CyFever** · 12-03-2009, 05:15 PM

Except for the fact that my college roommate lives in Phoenix and I'd have a free place to stay there, at this point I'd rather go to Houston.

More winnable game. In our recruiting territory. No hawk fans around.

As for the issue at hand, it's clear that it's within the rules for the Insight to select whomever it desires. If the commissioner doesn't like the rules, he's the one that can do something about them. Otherwise, he should keep his trap shut and represent each school in the conference equally.

Selecting OU or aTm over Mizzou is somehow 'understandable' while selecting ISU over them is an 'outrage'? Eff. Ewe.

As for going to the Big 10, it's an intriguing proposition. While I would worry that lack of exposure in Texas might hurt our recruiting, that advantage of being able to play Iowa every year, in conference, in a rivalry week game near the end of the season, and thereby allowing us to schedule a fourth non-conference patsy would be a huge benefit. We might not even lose much exposure as the Big Ten Network coverage is very good and we'd probably be on TV more often in Texas than we are now.

The only problem is would they want us. The answer is probably no.

**weR138** · 12-03-2009, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Stelrs1995

His post didn't even deserve a response imo. Mizzou would be the one getting slighted here and we all agree. Personally I would rather go to Houston, but only because it would fit in better with my road trip to South Padre Island. I guess Phoenix wouldn't be too bad of a detour, only about 1200 miles.

And you're entitled to your opinion but the fact is that ISU has already been slighted by the Big XII Commissioner by his intimation that we don't deserve an invitation to the Insight Bowl. Being slighted by a bowl committee (which Mizzou has before) isn't nearly as bad as your own commissioner devaluing your team and it's fanbase. So no, we don't all agree that Missouri is the only one getting slighted here. Not even close.

**Phenom** · 12-03-2009, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by GoShow97

I would prefer if the NCAA made a rule banning 6-6 teams from bowling.

Only teams with winning record should be eligible. But the all mighty dollar trumps rewarding teams based on merit and achieving a winning record. Another example of the pussification of America. Everyone is a winner. Everyone gets a blue ribbon. Sorry, 6-6 teams don't earn the right to go bowling.

I don't disagree, but I think you'd then have to eliminate some bowls or there wouldn't be enough eligible teams for all the bowls. And it seems that every year there're more bowls - the Yankee Bowl is starting up next year.

I know a lot of people think there are too many bowls. In theory, I can dig that, but come bowl season I just want more and more games.

**Rogue52** · 12-03-2009, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Jamie Pollard

“Iowa State University is honored to be under consideration for several bowls, including the Insight Bowl. It speaks volumes about the respect that Insight Bowl officials have for our football program and our school’s reputation for bowl travel based largely upon our trip to Phoenix in 2000. We understand Commissioner Beebe’s comments about the University of Missouri and its candidacy for the Insight Bowl. If the roles were reversed, our institution and fans would fully expect the Commissioner to share the same concern for Iowa State University. The selection process for bowl games, much like television decisions, is entirely up to the respective bowl partners. Our bowl partners have guaranteed our conference membership a significant amount of money in turn for the right to select whichever schools they desire for their games. We look forward to participating in whatever Big 12 bowl game invites the Cyclones.”

Sorry Jamie Pollard, this is weak and **** poor. You know well enough the conference would do nothing if the roles were reversed. And NO I do not expect the commissioner to do the same thing if the roles were reversed. He should be impartial. Missouri has gotten hosed worse than this for two straight years and he finally picks now to get upset???

I'm disappointed Jamie. This was your opportunity to fire back at the conference, but you failed. Lucky for you, you received a mulligan with this football program.

**jtdoyle1** · 12-03-2009, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Rogue52

Sorry Jamie Pollard, this is weak and **** poor. You know well enough the conference would do nothing if the roles were reversed. And NO I do not expect the commissioner to do the same thing if the roles were reversed. He should be impartial. Missouri has gotten hosed worse than this for two straight years and he finally picks now to get upset???

I'm disappointed Jamie. This was your opportunity to fire back at the conference, but you failed. Lucky for you, you received a mulligan with this football program.

I think Pollard is just taking the public high road and kicking "A" behind the scenes. I don't think he needs to get into a peeing match in the media.

**heitclone** · 12-03-2009, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by GoShow97

I would prefer if the NCAA made a rule banning 6-6 teams from bowling.

Only teams with winning record should be eligible. But the all mighty dollar trumps rewarding teams based on merit and achieving a winning record. Another example of the pussification of America. Everyone is a winner. Everyone gets a blue ribbon. Sorry, 6-6 teams don't earn the right to go bowling.

Then we'd have even more cupcake scheduling than we already have. I'd rather see 6-6 teams from the big 12, big 10, pac 10, acc and sec get in over 7 or 8 win teams from the big east. They throw 5 cupcakes on their schedule and then steal a conference game or two and go bowling. I think they need to adjust the win total if you play less than 8 conference games.

**ISUAgronomist** · 12-03-2009, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rogue52

Sorry Jamie Pollard, this is weak and **** poor. You know well enough the conference would do nothing if the roles were reversed. And NO I do not expect the commissioner to do the same thing if the roles were reversed. He should be impartial. Missouri has gotten hosed worse than this for two straight years and he finally picks now to get upset???

I'm disappointed Jamie. This was your opportunity to fire back at the conference, but you failed. Lucky for you, you received a mulligan with this football program.

Dude, Jamie took the high road. Unlike the commissioner, he didn't air his complaints in a negative manner that would hurt our program.

**Rogue52** · 12-03-2009, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by jtdoyle1

I think Pollard is just taking the public high road and kicking "A" behind the scenes. I don't think he needs to get into a peeing match in the media.

Yes, because we should have so much trust in him.