KU's Gill adds Long OC & Torbush DC

**tejasclone** · 12-14-2009, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Scott34

Thats a fair answer! I was just curious. I knew that he said he didn't want to coach against Nebraska, but was just curious if people were still upset about that. Is that the only reason?

He also regressed in Year 4 at Buffalo. When he went 8-5 and won the MAC, he was a big deal. Since he went 5-7 this year, not so much.

**Kyle** · 12-14-2009, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by clonomaniac

weren't some cyclone fans rooting for gill to be hired by isu last year? why is gill a bad hire for ku now?

This. Gill seems like a perfectly fine hire to me.

**mt85** · 12-14-2009, 03:54 PM

Last year he was the hot coach, but Buffalo's losing record this season may have cooled some of that interest. It is impossible to know at this point whether he will be successful.

It will largely depend on the coaches he hires, and their staff's ability to identify, recruit and develop talent. Time will tell how it works out.

I would definitely have some reservations about Chuck Long if I was a KU fan.

**aeroclone** · 12-14-2009, 03:54 PM

He has improved Buffalo, no doubt. But now that he has been there for a few years, it looks like his "big" season may have been a one hit wonder. I don't doubt that he wasn't interested in ISU because he didn't want to coach against Nebby. I would guess he may have changed his mind on that because he felt like his stock was falling at Buffalo and he needed to get out while he had the chance.

He is a decent hire. Even going 5-7 at Buffalo is a big move from where they were. But compared to the other names that were out there (Harbaugh, Tubberville, etc.) he isn't a great hire. As an ISU fan, I feel like he was the best thing out there for us. Hopefully he returns KU to the place they belong: the North division cellar.

**agronclone** · 12-14-2009, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

The 7 years before Gil got to Buffalo they averaged just over 1 win a year! 1 win

They won more games last year then they did in the 7 before he became a coach.

what about mccarney when he took over at isu? did any other schools give him a head coaching gig when he left isu? no. just because you make your team better than it was before you got there, doesn't mean that it was a direct result of your coaching. their conference is horrendous, and i would expect a lot of coaches could do the same thing. heck, look at idaho this year, yet no one is running through walls trying to get that coach on their team. the difference between gill and the idaho coach, no one knows who the idaho coach is (i'm writing about him yet don't know his name). gill was a coaching candidate at most schools because everyone knew who he was.

**Knownothing** · 12-14-2009, 03:59 PM

Chizik was a hot coach then came to ISU and sucked. So should he remain a hot coach (I am not talking to you Auburn).

**ISUFan22** · 12-14-2009, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Perhaps you guys should go and look at Buffalo's record before Gill got there. They ranked 119th out of 119 teams every year. Worst D1 team in the country. He build them to where they actually competed

1999Craig Cirbus0-112000Craig Cirbus2-92001Jim Hofher3-82002Jim Hofher1-112003Jim Hofher1-112004Jim Hofher2-92005Jim Hofher1-10

People have short memories. It's a good hire by Kansas.

Originally Posted by Clones85'

The 7 years before Gil got to Buffalo they averaged just over 1 win a year! 1 win

They won more games last year then they did in the 7 before he became a coach.

Yup!

Great hire? Nah. Good hire? IMO, certainly.

And so far, IMO, he's putting together a nice staff. On paper, KU shouldn't be a tough team for most in 2010, but I don't see them going away.

**Clones85'** · 12-14-2009, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by agronclone

what about mccarney when he took over at isu? did any other schools give him a head coaching gig when he left isu? no. just because you make your team better than it was before you got there, doesn't mean that it was a direct result of your coaching. their conference is horrendous, and i would expect a lot of coaches could do the same thing. heck, look at idaho this year, yet no one is running through walls trying to get that coach on their team. the difference between gill and the idaho coach, no one knows who the idaho coach is (i'm writing about him yet don't know his name). gill was a coaching candidate at most schools because everyone knew who he was.

Yes because 4 years at a school is the same as coaching a school for 12 years. And Kansas is the equivelant to Iowa State. Nobody is going to hire Turner any higher than Kansas if he does at Kansas what McCarney did at Iowa State.

But what Gill did at Buffalo is impressive. To not notice that would be unfair to the job he did.

How about this....Brian Kelly. Look at his record at Central Michigan. 19-16. Why would Cinci hire him? Because he turned that program around!! That's what you want out of a head coach and that is what Gill has done for Buffalo

**Bader** · 12-14-2009, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Yes because 4 years at a school is the same as coaching a school for 12 years. And Kansas is the equivelant to Iowa State. Nobody is going to hire Turner any higher than Kansas if he does at Kansas what McCarney did at Iowa State.

But what Gill did at Buffalo is impressive. To not notice that would be unfair to the job he did.

How about this....Brian Kelly. Look at his record at Central Michigan. 19-16. Why would Cinci hire him? Because he turned that program around!! That's what you want out of a head coach and that is what Gill has done for Buffalo

Kelly also went 118-35-2 and had what, 2 national titles?, in 13 years at Grand Valley State. Not a fair comparison IMO

**Al_4_State** · 12-14-2009, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

Left that the altar syndrome. We were shunned, hence he is less.

What I would like to know is.... wasn't the word that Gill didn't want to coach in the Big XII north againt NU? What happened to that ?

With his record dropping this year, his stock was dropping too. If we were looking for a coach this year, Turner Gill would have listened to our offer, guarantee it. If he didn't jump ship this year, it was very possible he wouldn't get the chance to.

**trajanJ** · 12-14-2009, 04:13 PM

I don't think anybody really knows how a coach is going to do until they coach at your school for quite a few years. I wanted Gill, but was afraid he would take his staff with him. Now it looks like he is only going to take one guy with him, that's a good move for KU. Plus it's now coming out that 7-10 players were going to transfer and most were starters. Those players now think they will stay put. Who knows this guy might be too nice to be successful in football. But after listening to him I bet he's going to do a pretty good job recruiting. I think Buffalo would be the worst job in the country. My question would be, "why did he take that job?" But I guess he has a shot now. We'll just have to wait and see.

**Scott34** · 12-14-2009, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Yup!

Great hire? Nah. Good hire? IMO, certainly.

And so far, IMO, he's putting together a nice staff. On paper, KU shouldn't be a tough team for most in 2010, but I don't see them going away.

This is what I thought too! I just had to ask, cause I thought it was funny how everyone was saying this was an ok hire by Kansas, when Gill was a great get if we would of got him at the time. But since he didn't come here he was "ok". Im pleased with PR so I won't complain at all!

**trajanJ** · 12-14-2009, 04:16 PM

By the way, here's a really weird coincidence. When Mangino took the job his daughter had already been going to school there for a couple of years. Same thing happened with Gill. So I guess when Gill is done you'll have to look and see what coaches have daughters going to school there to know who's next.

**Jarrods79** · 12-14-2009, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Yes because 4 years at a school is the same as coaching a school for 12 years. And Kansas is the equivelant to Iowa State. Nobody is going to hire Turner any higher than Kansas if he does at Kansas what McCarney did at Iowa State.

But what Gill did at Buffalo is impressive. To not notice that would be unfair to the job he did.

How about this....Brian Kelly. Look at his record at Central Michigan. 19-16. Why would Cinci hire him? Because he turned that program around!! That's what you want out of a head coach and that is what Gill has done for Buffalo

I don't think you are quite understanding what the OP was trying to say. Yes, Buffalo is a horrible program, and in a horrible conference, but if they had a halfway decent coach there before Turner Gill, would we all be talking about him? And, I think he is trying to point out that a lot of decent coaches could probably go into that conference and make some noise, even with Buffalo. The problem with UB was that they were on such a horrible streak they couldn't land a decent coach and no one wanted that job. It was big news when Turner (who looked to be like a up and comer at the time) took that job.

**sunset** · 12-14-2009, 04:19 PM

Having watched Long for several years as head coach of San Diego State, I can't believe he found a high profile job so quickly (he just got out of his contract last month, he would have lost all compensation had he taken another position prior).