Disappointing day IMO... and probably in Wally Burnham's eyes too.

[cyhiphopp]

I would argue that this class has a higher ceiling than any class here ever.

Agreed. I challenge anyone to name a better class of recruits ever at ISU.

A lot of people have been talking about the 2002 class. While that class may have had some higher ratings, a bunch of those high rated guys did nothing at ISU.

See Below. Stevie Hicks and Austin Flynn were really the only 4 star players to really contribute a ton. A bunch of the players weren't even on the 2003 roster.

2002
4 stars
Austin Flynn QB
Stevie Hicks RB
Curtis James JuCo OL Gone by 2003
Collin Menard JuCo OL
Federico Samuel JuCO DT Gone by 2003
Max Steward JuCo LB Gone by 2003
3 stars
Amecus Daniels DB Gone by 2003
Mike Hmoud OL No show
Jimmy Morris LB Gone by 2005
Saheed Richardson JuCo DE Gone by 2003
Korey Smith DE
Kyle Smith LB
Waye Terry QB Injury/Illness and left team
Emmanuel Valcourt JuCo OL Gone by 2003
2 stars
Jon Davis WR
Christopher Jones DB Gone by 2004
Beau Klaffke LB Gone by 2004
Ryan Kock LB
Craig Kuhrt OL Gone by 2004
Nick Leaders DT
Kory Pence OL
Matt Robertson LB
Klayton Shoals DT Gone by 2004
Kyle Van Winkle ATH
Cory Wierson OL Gone by 2004
Seth Zehr OL
Scott Stephenson DE Ended up at Minnesota then transfered back as a Center

[Tre4ISU]

Actually he proved that he couldn't handle the load but I agree that it's not a big deal.

Let's put this into perspective. We have 3 other guys coming out of JUCO that are in the same position as him. You don't know what they have been getting for grades, maybe they are in the same spot. Let's not jump all over this kid for not graduating early. It's not like he will miss a season or anything. He is signed, so if he wants to play it will have to be here. Sure missing 15 practices isn't going to help but at least he is coming in at a position that he can make an impact at off sheer physical ability. At DE it is more about instincts and individual performance than anything else. I do wish he was here to train though.

[Tre4ISU]

Agreed. I challenge anyone to name a better class of recruits ever at ISU.

A lot of people have been talking about the 2002 class. While that class may have had some higher ratings, a bunch of those high rated guys did nothing at ISU.

See Below. Stevie Hicks and Austin Flynn were really the only 4 star players to really contribute a ton. A bunch of the players weren't even on the 2003 roster.

2002
4 stars
Austin Flynn QB
Stevie Hicks RB
Curtis James JuCo OL Gone by 2003
Collin Menard JuCo OL
Federico Samuel JuCO DT Gone by 2003
Max Steward JuCo LB Gone by 2003
3 stars
Amecus Daniels DB Gone by 2003
Mike Hmoud OL No show
Jimmy Morris LB Gone by 2005
Saheed Richardson JuCo DE Gone by 2003
Korey Smith DE
Kyle Smith LB
Waye Terry QB Injury/Illness and left team
Emmanuel Valcourt JuCo OL Gone by 2003
2 stars
Jon Davis WR
Christopher Jones DB Gone by 2004
Beau Klaffke LB Gone by 2004
Ryan Kock LB
Craig Kuhrt OL Gone by 2004
Nick Leaders DT
Kory Pence OL
Matt Robertson LB
Klayton Shoals DT Gone by 2004
Kyle Van Winkle ATH
Cory Wierson OL Gone by 2004
Seth Zehr OL
Scott Stephenson DE Ended up at Minnesota then transfered back as a Center

Whats that, about 5-6 contributors? That class had 2 good players, one solid one and then some other stuff. I really see quite a bit more in this class.

[Landshark]

We have Rhoads...... enough said

Agreed and a great staff that knows how to develop players. We're in good hands, no doubt about it.

[CYKOFAN]

I think we'll be fine at lb for the next few years even with the loss of Hubert. I love what Klein and Knott bring and we've got other good prospects already on the team. I'm sure CPR and staff are building relationships with some good d-linemen in the junior class and juco freshmen that will take care of our future needs on the d-line.

[CarolinaCy]

I'm no recruiting expert, but for recent classes, I think the 2003 class stands out as the one to measure against. Here are the main contributors from that class (from what I remember of their on-field production):

Ben Barkema
Caleb Berg
Jason Berryman
Todd Blythe
Aaron Brant
Brent Curvey
DeAndre Jackson
Bret Meyer
Milan Moses
Kurtis Taylor

[StLouisClone]

I was disappointed as well. It almost seems like the more desperate we are for help on the DL, the less success we have had in recruiting. Look at our DL signings over the last 2 years.

'09 DT Walter Woods, DE Taylor Martin (never showed up)
'10 DT Brandon Jensen, DE Rony Nelson

That's it. And those '09 and '10 classes came after seasons in which ISU ranked 94th and 111th in nation in sacks. So it was pretty obvious where we needed some help and could offer ample playing time to new recruits. That's what makes it so disappointing.

Here's what really concerns me. We lost our top DE (Kurtis Taylor) in 2009 and replaced him with Neal/Maggitt and dropped from 94th in the nation to 111th nation. Next year we again lose our top DE (Christopher Lyle). That's what makes Nelson so critical because no one else has proven anything. Rashawn Parker has 8 career sacks in 3.5 seasons. Parker's best season was his freshman season when he had 3 sacks, all of which came in his first two games. I don't fault his effort, but Parker has pretty much been invisible since the Toledo/UNLV games in 2006. Other than Parker, our only other DEs with experience are Neal and Maggitt and they each struggled mightily in 2009 (especially Neal). Rhoads and Burnham indeed do have their work cut out for them next season.


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[Tre4ISU]

I was disappointed as well. It almost seems like the more desperate we are for help on the DL, the less success we have had in recruiting. Look at our DL signings over the last 2 years.

'09 DT Walter Woods, DE Taylor Martin (never showed up)
'10 DT Brandon Jensen, DE Rony Nelson

That's it. And those '09 and '10 classes came after seasons in which ISU ranked 94th and 111th in nation in sacks. So it was pretty obvious where we needed some help and could offer ample playing time to new recruits. That's what makes it so disappointing.

Here's what really concerns me. We lost our top DE (Kurtis Taylor) in 2009 and replaced him with Neal/Maggitt and dropped from 94th in the nation to 111th nation. Next year we again lose our top DE (Christopher Lyle). That's what makes Nelson so critical because no one else has proven anything. Rashawn Parker has 8 career sacks in 3.5 seasons. Parker's best season was his freshman season when he had 3 sacks, all of which came in his first two games. I don't fault his effort, but Parker has pretty much been invisible since the Toledo/UNLV games in 2006. Other than Parker, our only other DEs with experience are Neal and Maggitt and they each struggled mightily in 2009 (especially Neal). Rhoads and Burnham indeed do have their work cut out for them next season.


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I hate your facts. I am going to blindly expect huge things from Parker next year with no factual basis because that what I wish to happen.

[Frak]

I was disappointed as well. It almost seems like the more desperate we are for help on the DL, the less success we have had in recruiting. Look at our DL signings over the last 2 years.

'09 DT Walter Woods, DE Taylor Martin (never showed up)
'10 DT Brandon Jensen, DE Rony Nelson

That's it. And those '09 and '10 classes came after seasons in which ISU ranked 94th and 111th in nation in sacks. So it was pretty obvious where we needed some help and could offer ample playing time to new recruits. That's what makes it so disappointing.

Here's what really concerns me. We lost our top DE (Kurtis Taylor) in 2009 and replaced him with Neal/Maggitt and dropped from 94th in the nation to 111th nation. Next year we again lose our top DE (Christopher Lyle). That's what makes Nelson so critical because no one else has proven anything. Rashawn Parker has 8 career sacks in 3.5 seasons. Parker's best season was his freshman season when he had 3 sacks, all of which came in his first two games. I don't fault his effort, but Parker has pretty much been invisible since the Toledo/UNLV games in 2006. Other than Parker, our only other DEs with experience are Neal and Maggitt and they each struggled mightily in 2009 (especially Neal). Rhoads and Burnham indeed do have their work cut out for them next season.


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Although it is a tough situation, I don't know that it's QUITE as dire as you say. There are more players in those classes due to some position changes:

'09 DT Woods, DE Scott, DE Lattimer, DE Moore, DE Martin (didn't show)
'10 DT Jensen, DE/DT Kron (I'm betting he skips the greyshirt now), DE Nelson