CY-HAWK TALK - Spring Football Video Recap

[cmhawks99]

Stanzi, no, Reisner may not even start this year, Ballard, umm King was not even drafted Kroul wasn't either, Jeff Tarpinian has not hardly played, thats a bold statement. Probably three guys from this team that that will be drafted.

Holy snikes are some of you cats dense...............

1st off I'm not being a homer and I'm not saying Stanzi is a lock but he is starting to show up on QB mock drafts and there was a thread about it here just a few weeks back. I'm not even saying he "should", just that it wouldn't shock me.

2nd............. 7 out of 10 ISU fans last year said King and Kroul could NOT be replaced, hence the mention. ((by the way they are both currently on spring rosters heading into summer NFL camps and I think Kroul may have a chance this year. He was very close last year)

3rd..............don't trick yourself like many ISU fans who are anti-any thing Iowa. Reisner has played some since his true Frosh year and he is likely to be at least as good as Brandon Meyers who got drafted at TE, 2 years ago, And yes he will start.

4th they love Jeff Tarpinian and he has played a lot of football in his years at Iowa. He'll get a look as I said.

5th.............Ballard, Clayborn and Hunter are locks and Klug if he is as Big as is said @ 278 and proves he is fast enuff to come off the edge will get looked at definitely. I've watched this crap diligently for many years (Iowa, college football, combines, the draft) and they will get more people drafted than you'd ever think.

They seem to love Iowa guys.

Chad

[JonDMiller]

Out of curiousity, where did Chris Williams and Jon Miller graduate college from?

If I had to guess, I'd say Chris graduated from ISU and Jon graduated from somewhere other than Iowa?

You are a 100% true Clone. This is like #3 on the list for any card carrying member of Cyclone Nation.

[cmhawks99]

Usually they do not, but I think this year is a little different in that regard. The reason is they arent throwing freshman into the fire, they are throwing in guys who have played decent minutes or guys that have been in the program for 3 or 4 years. Mix that in with the amount of returning starters and I think that will equal a pretty good football team. Now in 2011?? That very well could be a complete rebuild.

Although I get what you are saying they've done a fairly decent job of replacing NFL players over the last 10 years. Qb play has been their Achilles.............

Chad

[dosry5]

You are a 100% true Clone. This is like #3 on the list for any card carrying member of Cyclone Nation.

But it's still pretty funny......

[TarHeelHawk]

What? Binns, Sash, Prater, McNutt and Reiff all started for Iowa last year. It always amazes me how little most Iowa fans know about their own team? Crazy.

And Iowa fans know next to nothing about college football outside of the Iowa Hawkeyes. Two huge Iowa fans I work with couldn't tell me who ISU's starting QB and RB are.

You must have missed the "or other guys" Frak.

[GaryJohnson]

You must have missed the "or other guys" Frak.

I'm guessing he's also missed some other things... sufficient oxygen in the womb, for example.

[tazclone]

Fanatics,

I posted this on our front page last Sunday but it kind of got lost in the shuffle with the men’s basketball situation that took place over the last week. I’m super-pumped about a new project that I am working on with Jon Miller of HawkeyeNation.com.

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Jon needs to atleast try and be objective when discussing the ISU OL. He is goofy when saying they aren't a line it up and get a few yards. Granted that isn't there style but there is no doubt they can do it.They were top 30 in 4th down efficiency and 18th in BCS schools. Most of those were short yardage plays where they lined it up and pounded it. 21st in sacks allowed...top ten if you only count BCS schools. Top 35 in rushing and top 20 in BCS. If you look at the schools they are behind they are predominant running schools. Fro crying out loud we average 311 and that is with 276# Burris bringing the average down. The OL has been pretty damn good the last two seasons

Sorry Jon but that so, so ISU OL held the vaunted (one of Iowa's best) Iowa DL and LB corp to 1 TFL, no sacks, and one hurry. Atleast give credit where credit is due. The great and mighty Clayborn had three tackles, none for loss and none for sacks. I know they dropped him back into coverage some but not a lot. And I know this will hurt but IMO Iowa's DL was the third best that we faced last year...3rd behind Nebraska and OSU. Stats would back that up as well.

Our OL is great. End of discussion.

And Chris is right...our season will depend on Arnaud. We talk a lot about finding a second running back but if Arnaud improves,and we can be balanced then that will help spell ARob. Sorry Jon but we can't just fall back on ARob. We need to give him some help so he doesn't have to carry the load. I lick my chops thinking what the offense can do is Arnaud can hit the short passes. It will open up so much more for ARob.

I for one cannot wait to see the ISU OL vs Iowa DL battle this year. Should be fun to watch but I suspect it will be a close battle and one that doesn't have a definite winner.

Will Parker try and take away the run and force Arnaud to beat them? Will he give the run and see if Herman and Arnaud are as impatient as they were last year? Great question but I imagine Arnaud/Herman will be more patient this year and will treat the game similar to Nebraska last year. Don't force things. IMO- The most important match up will be ISU's DL/LB vs Iowa's OL. Whoever wins that battle wins the game. Can ISU force Stanzi to stay in the pocket and not allow him to roll right? Can the DL keep Iowa's OL off the LB's?

[hurdleisu24]

Jon needs to atleast try and be objective when discussing the ISU OL. He is goofy when saying they aren't a line it up and get a few yards. They were top 30 in 4th down efficiency and 18th in BCS schools. Most of those were short yardage plays where they lined it up and pounded it. 21st in sacks allowed...top ten if you only count BCS schools. Top 35 in rushing and top 20 in BCS. If you look at the schools they are behind they are predominant running schools.

Sorry Jon but that so, so ISU OL held the vaunted (one of Iowa's best) Iowa DL and LB corp to 1 TFL, no sacks, and one hurry. Atleast give credit where credit is due. The great and mighty Clayborn had three tackles, none for loss and none for sacks. I know they dropped him back into coverage some but not a lot.

Our OL is great. End of discussion.

But would they be that good if we had an offense that was in the I all the time with one or two recievers? I don't think they would have as good of stats. That's what Jon is trying to say.

[cmhawks99]

Jon needs to atleast try and be objective when discussing the ISU OL. He is goofy when saying they aren't a line it up and get a few yards. They were top 30 in 4th down efficiency and 18th in BCS schools. Most of those were short yardage plays where they lined it up and pounded it. 21st in sacks allowed...top ten if you only count BCS schools. Top 35 in rushing and top 20 in BCS. If you look at the schools they are behind they are predominant running schools. Fro crying out loud we average 311 and that is with 276# Burris bringing the average down. The OL has been pretty damn good the last two seasons

Sorry Jon but that so, so ISU OL held the vaunted (one of Iowa's best) Iowa DL and LB corp to 1 TFL, no sacks, and one hurry. Atleast give credit where credit is due. The great and mighty Clayborn had three tackles, none for loss and none for sacks. I know they dropped him back into coverage some but not a lot.

Our OL is great. End of discussion.

And Chris is right...our season will depend on Arnaud. We talk a lot about finding a second running back but if Arnaud improves,and we can be balanced then that will help spell ARob. Sorry Jon but we can't just fall back on ARob. We need to give him some help so he doesn't have to carry the load. I lick my chops thinking what the offense can do is Arnaud can hit the short passes. It will open up so much more for ARob.

For the record ISU, like Iowa was tied for 41st in Red Zone efficiency. Not even sure how important that is, but it is worth mentioning many of the most prolific O's had poor Red Zone numbers.

It's also worth mentioning that Iowa's D vs the rush was far from their best ever, though I suspect a bit of that was by design. They still seemed to be able to stop almost whoever they needed to in short yardage situations.

Also I know ISU fans are fond of suggesting Clayborn was held "in check", but it was an ISU fan who brought up a couple weeks back in a thread that the rest of Iowa's D-line ran wild with tackles so again that is highly misleading.

Chad

[TarHeelHawk]

For the record ISU, like Iowa was tied for 41st in Red Zone efficiency. Not even sure how important that is, but it is worth mentioning many of the most prolific O's had poor Red Zone numbers.

It's also worth mentioning that Iowa's D vs the rush was far from their best ever, though I suspect a bit of that was by design. They still seemed to be able to stop almost whoever they needed to in short yardage situations.

Also I know ISU fans are fond of suggesting Clayborn was held "in check", but it was an ISU fan who brought up a couple weeks back in a thread that the rest of Iowa's D-line ran wild with tackles so again that is highly misleading.

Chad

They don't suggest it as much as they say he was destroyed by Osemele last year. Anyway, I think Binns had 9 tackles in that game and a pass break up that was more than likey picked off on the carom.

[cmhawks99]

They don't suggest it as much as they say he was destroyed by Osemele last year. Anyway, I think Binns had 9 tackles in that game and a pass break up that was more than likey picked off on the carom.

Yeah and I think Klug had 7 plus as well. Too tell you the truth I expect big games out of all three of those "other" guys next year. Clayborn will be heavily watched, but the other guys are all big and fast. I also read something linked to me tonite that had Norm gushing about Daniel & Daniels, along with RS Frosh Alvis, so I don't expect our D-line will be completely neutralized in any game.

The neat thing about Iowa anymore though is they routinely put very fast, athletic DB's on the field even out on the corners, so they are hard to game plan for. If WR's aren't running free, no O-line no matter how great can keep a D-line out forever and we specialize in batted passes, so it will be an intriguing match up for sure.

Chad

[TarHeelHawk]

Yeah and I think Klug had 7 plus as well. Too tell you the truth I expect big games out of all three of those "other" guys next year. Clayborn will be heavily watched, but the other guys are all big and fast. I also read something linked to me tonite that had Norm gushing about Daniel & Daniels, along with RS Frosh Alvis, so I don't expect our D-line will be completely neutralized in any game.

The neat thing about Iowa anymore though is they routinely put very fast, athletic DB's on the field even out on the corners, so they are hard to game plan for. If WR's aren't running free, no O-line no matter how great can keep a D-line out forever and we specialize in batted passes, so it will be an intriguing match up for sure.

Chad

Actually, I don't think anyone else had more three. Give me a minute.

Binns had 9, Ballard had 4, and Clayborne and Klug both had 3.

http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/....html#GAME.DEF

[tazclone]

Yes, I do believe they would be as effective if they lined up and pounded the ball. They have the size, they have the mobility. They have everything. We have three potential NFLers on that line. KO, Haughton, Lamaak(stretch). Then you bring in Hicks when he comes back this fall and you have possibly 4.
Sorry to break hok fans hearts but it isn't the scheme. These guys were pretty solid as underclassmen in chizdick's last year and it wasn't as much of a spread you out type of offense.

It is flat out insulting to our OL that you people claim their success is scheme related. Not to mention ignorant.

[tazclone]

For the record ISU, like Iowa was tied for 41st in Red Zone efficiency. Not even sure how important that is, but it is worth mentioning many of the most prolific O's had poor Red Zone numbers.

It's also worth mentioning that Iowa's D vs the rush was far from their best ever, though I suspect a bit of that was by design. They still seemed to be able to stop almost whoever they needed to in short yardage situations.

Also I know ISU fans are fond of suggesting Clayborn was held "in check", but it was an ISU fan who brought up a couple weeks back in a thread that the rest of Iowa's D-line ran wild with tackles so again that is highly misleading.

Chad

1. Red zone efficiency- 37 red zone appearances...23 TDs (16 rushing)...8 field goals (no attempts inside 20 yards), and 2 missed field goals. We had 5 more rushing TD's than Iowa who is much more likely to pound the ball. Sorry but the field goal distance coupled with the rushing TDs show we did not have an issue pounding the ball in the red zone. The four failed attempts were turnovers or the passing game and were not inside the 10 yard line. That isn't even taking into account how many were at the end of halves when we couldn't rush the ball due to the clock. So in summary, our OL did fine in the red zone and we were able to run the ball in the red zone. That is contrary to most spreads and better than a pound it offense like Iowa. You guys need to come up with some other stat to justify not giving ISU's OL credtit.
2. Our OL vs Iowa's DL- Jon said it was one of Iowa's best and the country's best DLs. I didn't. We held your DL and LB corp to their season lows in TFL, QB hurries, and sacks. Not only was it their season low but we blanked them, skunked them in two of the three categories. They had 0 TFL, 1 QB hurry, and 0 sacks. And gave up 5.6 YPC on the ground. Your DL's next best game was 3 TFL and 3 QB hurries. Not to mention you LBs had one their worst games in the tackle column.
3. Binns had 9 tackles (0 TFL, 0 sacks). The rest of your DL...not so much. So to say Clayborn was held in check but the rest of your DL ran wild is false. I will take Binns getting 9 tackles and 0 TFL. Tells me he was making those tackles on his heals
4. Your safeties had more tackles than you LBs and it wasn't like we were throwing all over the field. We ran 34 times to throwing 31. Tells me our OL was getting to your DL and LBs...keep in mind Binns was playing against Haughton who has since moved inside. He was out of position at RT.

All of that and watching the game leads me to believe our OL handled your DL. And keep in mind, Jon Miller said it is one of Iowa's best DL ever and possibly one of the best in the nation. I am sorry but if Iowa's DL is one of the best in the country and our OL held them in check then our OL is pretty damn good by definition. You can't have it both ways. Your DL can't be one of the best and our OL average if our OL held them to their season worst performance. Jon is being a little condescending and insulting not to mention ignorant and arrogant with his remarks. He can't explain why Iowa's DL was handled by ISU's OL so he will claim "scheme". Instead of researching. Well the numbers and the product on the field don't match his "scheme" claim. He is just lazy/arrogant to look at them.

[tazclone]

They don't suggest it as much as they say he was destroyed by Osemele last year. Anyway, I think Binns had 9 tackles in that game and a pass break up that was more than likey picked off on the carom.

The tip did not lead to a INT, sorry. Binns did have 9 tackles. How many TFL did he have? So tell me, if he is making tackles down field, is he still getting beat or is he winning the battle? Just curious.

Just curious why your safeties had more tackles than you LBs and only three less than your DL. And we averaged 5.6 ypc. Tells me the OL had the DL covered and got to the LB. Tell me why your DL and LBs were held to their season lows in TFL, Sacks, and QB hurries? Why did they have less than half the total tackles? That is unheard of in an Iowa defense. It isn't like we were just winging it all over the field. We rushed 3 more times than we threw.