Telephone Trophy?

**weR138** · 05-13-2010, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by DMjazz

IIRC, the 'border dispute' was a result of an incorrect state line drawn by a surveyor. The Iowa state line is actually supposed to be lower than it currently is. That little 'Florida like' tip in the far SE corner of Iowa is not supposed to be there. The person who surveyed and drew the line screwed up.

Many Honey Bee farmers who were told that they would be residents of the State of Iowa actually ended up in Missouri without their knowledge thanks to the 'new incorrect' state line. Missouri sent tax collectors up to collect and the farmers refused to pay since they assumed they were Iowa residents. Both states sent militias to the border to protect their interests.

Someone can chime in and correct me if any of that is not true. It's what I remember from history class many many moons ago.

Since we're on Iowa/Missouri history;

Wasn't there a Civil War skirmish in SE Iowa?

**jdoggivjc** · 05-13-2010, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by DMjazz

IIRC, the 'border dispute' was a result of an incorrect state line drawn by a surveyor. The Iowa state line is actually supposed to be lower than it currently is. That little 'Florida like' tip in the far SE corner of Iowa is not supposed to be there. The person who surveyed and drew the line screwed up.

Many Honey Bee farmers who were told that they would be residents of the State of Iowa actually ended up in Missouri without their knowledge thanks to the 'new incorrect' state line. Missouri sent tax collectors up to collect and the farmers refused to pay since they assumed they were Iowa residents. Both states sent militias to the border to protect their interests.

Someone can chime in and correct me if any of that is not true. It's what I remember from history class many many moons ago.

Actually, from Missouri's point of view (at least at the time), Iowa's southern-most tier of counties belong to them. From Missouri's interpretation of the survey, that surveying point shouldn't be where the Des Moines River flows into the Mississippi, but further north, near either Ft Madison or even Burlington (where one of those rivers flow into the Mississippi).

**jdoggivjc** · 05-13-2010, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by weR138

Since we're on Iowa/Missouri history;

Wasn't there a Civil War skirmish in SE Iowa?

I believe so.

Actually, Ft Armstrong (which now goes by the Rock Island Arsenal, an island in the middle of the Mississippi River in the Quad Cities) was a Union base with a prison camp for Confederate prisoners. The Confederate cemetery still exists.

**EYEoftheSTORM** · 05-13-2010, 02:48 PM

I honestly do not see this rivalry being upheld, not many people know about it, and it is not like we hate Mizzou, I think we hate Nebraska more than Mizzou and we dont have a "rivalry" with them if, keyword rivalry.

**EYEoftheSTORM** · 05-13-2010, 02:52 PM

oh on a lighter note, I was in Minnesota for the Twins-Sox game yesterday and as we were waiting for the train a hawk fan yelled at me go hawks because my dad was wearing a Cyclone Hoodie.

I replied with "the hawks can suck my ****"....

Even in Minnesota I cant get away from idiot hawk fans.....

**weR138** · 05-13-2010, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

I believe so.

Actually, Ft Armstrong (which now goes by the Rock Island Arsenal, an island in the middle of the Mississippi River in the Quad Cities) was a Union base with a prison camp for Confederate prisoners. The Confederate cemetery still exists.

Very cool. I didn't know this. Do they fly a Southern Cross or a Stars and Bars there or anything like that?

**jdoggivjc** · 05-13-2010, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by weR138

Very cool. I didn't know this. Do they fly a Southern Cross or a Stars and Bars there or anything like that?

Short of special memorial days I do not believe so. I'd have to drive by it to see, but since I don't leave work that way...

**ce1** · 05-13-2010, 03:06 PM

The telephone trophy is the traveling trophy equivalent to greeting cards and Grandparents Day...a contrived trophy for no other purpose but to get us excited about a game that hasn't been relevant in 50 years, if it ever was. Good riddance.

**theshadow** · 05-13-2010, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by ce1

The telephone trophy is the traveling trophy equivalent to greeting cards and Grandparents Day...a contrived trophy for no other purpose but to get us excited about a game that hasn't been relevant in 50 years, if it ever was. Good riddance.

It's hardly contrived. Read up on the history of it.

**jdoggivjc** · 05-13-2010, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by theshadow

It's hardly contrived. Read up on the history of it.

Even if it is "contrived", I wish we had a few more "contrived" rivalry trophies.

**weR138** · 05-13-2010, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by ce1

The telephone trophy is the traveling trophy equivalent to greeting cards and Grandparents Day...a contrived trophy for no other purpose but to get us excited about a game that hasn't been relevant in 50 years, if it ever was. Good riddance.

There are traveling trophies that aren't contrived?

**drednot57** · 05-13-2010, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by DMjazz

IIRC, the 'border dispute' was a result of an incorrect state line drawn by a surveyor. The Iowa state line is actually supposed to be lower than it currently is. That little 'Florida like' tip in the far SE corner of Iowa is not supposed to be there. The person who surveyed and drew the line screwed up.

Many Honey Bee farmers who were told that they would be residents of the State of Iowa actually ended up in Missouri without their knowledge thanks to the 'new incorrect' state line. Missouri sent tax collectors up to collect and the farmers refused to pay since they assumed they were Iowa residents. Both states sent militias to the border to protect their interests.

Someone can chime in and correct me if any of that is not true. It's what I remember from history class many many moons ago.

The dispute was created when a surveyor hired by the Missouri State Government who put the state line father north and a Federal surveyor, named Sullivan, re-established the line (AKA the Sullivan Line) to its current position. The whole ruse was a land grab by Missouri at our expense. The disputed starting point was where the "Des Moines Rapids" was actually located; either on the Mississippi River near Keokuk, or upstream on the Des Moines River near Keosauqua. The current line was a compromise between the two locations.

**NobodyBeatsCy** · 05-13-2010, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by drednot57

The dispute was created when a surveyor hired by the Missouri State Government who put the state line father north and a Federal surveyor, named Sullivan, re-established the line (AKA the Sullivan Line) to its current position. The whole ruse was a land grab by Missouri at our expense. The disputed starting point was where the "Des Moines Rapids" was actually located; either on the Mississippi River near Keokuk, or upstream on the Des Moines River near Keosauqua. The current line was a compromise between the two locations.

Sounds like the exact same way hard feelings developed beween Springfield and Shelbyville. That and the fact that Shelbyville (Missouri) also wanted the right to marry their cousins.

**drednot57** · 05-13-2010, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by NobodyBeatsCy

Sounds like the exact same way hard feelings developed beween Springfield and Shelbyville. That and the fact that Shelbyville (Missouri) also wanted the right to marry their cousins.

Old joke.