8-4 Best Case.. 2-10 Worse

**dualthreat** · 06-01-2010, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by CrossCyed

I'm the exact opposite. I would be much more surprised by an 8 win season.

remember, he is our coach

not him

**Istate** · 06-01-2010, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by dualthreat

i will be much more surprised by a 2 win season than 8. And I will be much more sad, angry, dissappointed, depressed, confused, and upset.

I think the bell shaped curve of wins has 5.5 at the top with 7-8 possible with a bowl win.

You're pretty close to where I'm at. I think six wins is the mark this year that we all can be happy about. Five wins, especially if we either pull a big upset or suffer through a ton of injuries, can still provide some hope for the future. Four wins or less, and we better hope coach Hoiberg wins the Big 12 this year. On the otherhand if we win seven games or more, it would be impossible not to believe that we're on the cusp of some things that have never been done at ISU as far as consistency goes. Seven wins this fall gets us through next year no matter how ugly it might get. Obviously, I'm excited as hell for camp to even start, but I also have that nervous feeling of what if last year we really did get every break in the book? We'll see.

**cycloneML** · 06-01-2010, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Istate

You're pretty close to where I'm at. I think six wins is the mark this year that we all can be happy about. Five wins, especially if we either pull a big upset or suffer through a ton of injuries, can still provide some hope for the future. Four wins or less, and we better hope coach Hoiberg wins the Big 12 this year. On the otherhand if we win seven games or more, it would be impossible not to believe that we're on the cusp of some things that have never been done at ISU as far as consistency goes. Seven wins this fall gets us through next year no matter how ugly it might get. Obviously, I'm excited as hell for camp to even start, but I also have that nervous feeling of what if last year we really did get every break in the book? We'll see.

we didnt get every break in the book last year. Replay either the KSU or KU game to see that we left several breaks in KC and Lawrence.

**CrossCyed** · 06-01-2010, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

I'd be equally surprised. To go 2-10 we'd likely have be winless in the Big 12. This is after winning 3 games, and being extremely close to winning 2 more. Honestly, we have enough talent that if our coaches are halfway as good as many on this board think, 2 wins would be ******* pathetic. I'm not saying it isn't possible, because it definitely is. I'm saying it would be pathetic. If A-Rob, AA and KO all went down, I could accept that record, but that's about what it would take.

To go 8-4 we'd have to only lose to beat one of OU, UT, NU, Iowa, and Utah, and beat everyone else. This is borderline impossible. That said, at this time last year I would have said that 7 wins was borderline impossible.

I think we should be right at 6 wins, with 5 more likely than 7. I'll be fine with 5 wins, with a healthy roster. All in all, 8-4 and 2-10 are probably good bench marks for best and worst case scenarios. We need an equal amount of luck in both the good and bad categories to achieve those respective records.

Our defense, aside from creating turnovers, was nearly the worst in the conference. That scares the ever-loving crap out of me.

**d4nim4l** · 06-01-2010, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneML

we didnt get every break in the book last year. Replay either the KSU or KU game to see that we left several breaks in KC and Lawrence.

Every break we did not get with KU and KSU we got back against Nebraska.

Of course things don't actually work that way but to say we didn't get every break in the book without mentioning the stars aligning in Lincoln where we did get every break is not right.

**Al_4_State** · 06-01-2010, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by CrossCyed

Our defense, aside from creating turnovers, was nearly the worst in the conference. That scares the ever-loving crap out of me.

In every category except for the one that matters most: scoring defense. We were 5th out of 12. Not great, but a long ways off of dead last. I don't give a damn if we give up 500 ypg, as long as we're only giving up 21.8 ppg again.

Our defense isn't that good, and it's probably more likely than not that we don't make a bowl, but 2 wins is a failure with the talent on the other side of the ball. Again, I'm not saying it can't and won't happen, but with the guys we have, we really shouldn't lose 10 games. We really, really shouldn't lose 10 games.

**mtowncyclone** · 06-01-2010, 09:04 PM

i dont care how many wins we get as long as we play to our full potential. CPR is a friggen good coach, and he will lead us in the right direction wether you "high total win haters" like it or not. BOOM

**CrossCyed** · 06-01-2010, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

In every category except for the one that matters most: scoring defense. We were 5th out of 12. Not great, but a long ways off of dead last. I don't give a damn if we give up 500 ypg, as long as we're only giving up 21.8 ppg again.

Our defense isn't that good, and it's probably more likely than not that we don't make a bowl, but 2 wins is a failure with the talent on the other side of the ball. Again, I'm not saying it can't and won't happen, but with the guys we have, we really shouldn't lose 10 games. We really, really shouldn't lose 10 games.

Oh, I agree that we shouldn't. I predicting 5 wins.

**mtowncyclone** · 06-01-2010, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by dualthreat

remember, he is our coach

not him

dont bring he who must not be named into this

**Al_4_State** · 06-01-2010, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by CrossCyed

Oh, I agree that we shouldn't. I predicting 5 wins.

I think that's a safe prediction. I think if Arnaud steps up, like he hinted at during the past season (and bowl game/spring game), we stay strong in points allowed, and everyone else stays healthy, we can get back to a bowl at 6 wins. A few "ifs" but none of them are too huge of stretches.

I'll say this: if we do get to a bowl, we'll likely be far more battle hardened than the 6-6 team lining up across from us.

**Istate** · 06-01-2010, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by mtowncyclone

i dont care how many wins we get as long as we play to our full potential. CPR is a friggen good coach, and he will lead us in the right direction wether you "high total win haters" like it or not. BOOM

Wins are pretty good incdicators of full potential. CPR seems like a great person that I've yet to hear anyone say a bad thing about. I HOPE he is a 'friggen good coach.' This year will be a good indication if that's the case. A 'friggen good coach' gets ISU to five wins minimum. I think we'll do that and more because coach Rhoads and his staff are that good. However, this year is proving time.

**istater7** · 06-01-2010, 10:04 PM

we will not do worse than 4 wins, you can quote me on that

**Cyched** · 06-01-2010, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by mtowncyclone

dont bring he who must not be named into this

What the hell does Voldemort have to do with this?

**cyclones500** · 06-02-2010, 12:06 PM

2-10 isn't out of the realm of possibility, but I wouldn't feel good about the long-term.

CPR earned a year of slack with the improbable NU win and a bowl win. But he wouldn't want to burn his Free Spin card with the next season.

Fans are braced for a dropoff in W/L because of the schedule and the loss of experience on defense. I still expect improvement on offense, and at least six games fit the "winnable" category (on paper).

**Rogue52** · 06-02-2010, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

If we go 8-4, give CPR a lifetime contract

In college football, there should be no such thing as a lifetime contract and if there was, an 8-4 season is not grounds for it no matter how hard your schedule is.