Iowa: Drop vs. Keep revisited

[weR138]

Now you are putting words in my mouth. I said that a true rivalry was the big reason for playing Iowa. The sell out is an additional benefit.

I'm pretty sure earlier you were telling me I was putting the additional patsy on the schedule argument in your mouth. Now you are bandying it about. Which is it Wisky or a patsy?

I'm sorry but I am losing a lot of respect for your argument with your circular reasoning and jumping positions in the same thread.

No, not at all. Just stating that there are separate reasons for wanting/not wanting the game to continue;

Money
Pride
Fun
etc.

Just saying that if one's (not you) argument is money then putting a patsy on the schedule in place of Iowa makes sense. My reason for wanting the Iowa game to end is just because I hate Iowa and most of their fans. Someone already pointed out (probably correctly) that this puts me in the small minority. So be it.

[weR138]

Now who is obsessing with Iowa???

Quitting Iowa is the cure.

[VeloClone]

No, not at all. Just stating that there are separate reasons for wanting/not wanting the game to continue;

Money
Pride
Fun
etc.

Just saying that if one's (not you) argument is money then putting a patsy on the schedule in place of Iowa makes sense. My reason for wanting the Iowa game to end is just because I hate Iowa and most of their fans. Someone already pointed out (probably correctly) that this puts me in the small minority. So be it.

I disagree that a patsy on the schedule will be as lucrative as the Iowa rivalry game.

I think you may be remembering me pointing out that if you don't see the value in a strong rivalry that puts you in a small minority; and I meant across the sports continuum, not just in the Cyclone family.

I don't think we are going to change each other's position, so I will leave it at that.

Have a great day!

[NWIAclone]

Most teams that are natural rivalries never get a chance at matching-up in a bowl game simply because they're usually in the same conference or they don't have bowl tie-ins with each other. ie: Michigan/Ohio State or Alabama/Auburn or Texas/Texas AM or USC/UCLA or Kansas/Kansas State. We would be a dream match (with Iowa) in the Insight or Alamo Bowl. The first step is to drop Iowa from the regular schedule and get enough wins for bowl eligabity.

[Incyte]

Most teams that are natural rivalries never get a chance at matching-up in a bowl game simply because they're usually in the same conference or they don't have bowl tie-ins with each other. ie: Michigan/Ohio State or Alabama/Auburn or Texas/Texas AM or USC/UCLA or Kansas/Kansas State. We would be a dream match (with Iowa) in the Insight or Alamo Bowl. The first step is to drop Iowa from the regular schedule and get enough wins for bowl eligabity.

Quite wrong. Think about tv's. No way does this ever happen.

The B10 dropped the alamo bowl anyway.

[NWIAclone]

Quite wrong. Think about tv's. No way does this ever happen.

The B10 dropped the alamo bowl anyway.

What did "ISU vs Minnesota" have over a potential "ISU vs Iowa" game? The Insight would've jumped on the ISU vs Iowa match-up if possible.

[Incyte]

What did "ISU vs Minnesota" have over "ISU vs Iowa"?

An additional viewing state to sell to advertisers.

[NWIAclone]

An additional viewing state to sell to advertisers.

More importantly.....the Insight Bowl selection people want to sell tickets for the game and "ISU vs Iowa" would be gauranteed sellout..... unlike Minnesota was.

[Boxerdaddy]

Fun fact, Iowa State has more wins against Iowa (6) in the last 12 years than any other opponent ISU has played. ISU has defeated KU and Mizzou 5 times each.

On the other end, only Ohio State (7) has defeated Iowa more than Iowa State in the same 12-year time-span.

Awesome stat!

[swammi]

I realize this was already discussed at length in another thread (actually, several threads) recently. But Miller & Deace trotted it out again today, arguing to drop Iowa from the schedule for the usual reasons: getting a bowl bid becomes more daunting with the new Big 12 schedule (and mainly because of those automatic losses to UT & OU).

I understand that. It's safer to water down the non-conference schedule, and our record against the South has been bad enough that we may need to have "guaranteed" wins to become bowl eligible.

I just think it's a defeatist attitude that strives for mediocrity. Pretend the Iowa game counts as one more more conference game. What's the minimum "conference" record, then, with two gimmies in non-conf, to get a bowl bid? 4-6 minimum, but 5-5 to be safe.

And let's say ISU will never beat UT or OU. So during years when we lose to Iowa, we'd need a 5-3 record against the rest to be safely in bowl territory. If you can't do that, do you really deserve to play in the postseason?

It's a cop-out. Beat somebody!

I'm a believer in the Fresno State philosophy. "We'll play anybody, anywhere, anytime." If Iowa weasels out of this great rivalry series, they will forever wear the mantle of wussies.

[wright4cy]

KEEP We are not quiters and its a great rivalry game!

[WhatMeWorry]

Yes.

And I like this game and I like to watch it. But I'd give it up 100 times out of 100 for us to go to bowls. Plus, if we can get 3 home games a year (and don't tell me it's not possible, KSU and KU did it for years) that is needed gate revenue.

I sympathize, Cause going to a bowl game is great. But man, giving up the Iowa game for years when we get our *** handed to us in the Blue Field Bowl...... Not sure that's worth it.

[Wesley]

Miller hates this game and has wanted to get rid of it for years. All he is trying to do now is make it look like it will be ISU's fault when the game isnt played anymore.

Iowa may want to play instead the Poor Sisters now that they have to play nebraska. Have a heart.

[TarHeelHawk]

I'd rather play them in a bowl game...... Insight or Alamo. Insight = 7 or 8 wins - Alamo = 8 or 9 wins

That probably won't happen, as I believe the Big 10's affiliation with that game is done after this year.

[clone96cr]

More importantly.....the Insight Bowl selection people want to sell tickets for the game and "ISU vs Iowa" would be gauranteed sellout..... unlike Minnesota was.

Unlikely motivation for a bowl committee. A state of Iowa only bowl would greatly limit the television viewership. I don't see that match up ever happening.