Big 12 will have 12 teams by next season...

**Frak** · 07-31-2010, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

What exactly does BYU have to offer the Big 12? BYU's athletic budget is about $36,000,000 (including money from the MTN network). That is well below the bottom of the present Big 12 schools. By contrast, Notre Dame's is about $81,000,000. It would seem from this that BYU doesn't have anywhere near the national following that ND does, so they aren't going to bring a national following and associated money, such as was lost with NU.

What does BYU have that is going to increase the revenue share of the other ten Big 12 schools?

If BYU was such a hot prospect, they'd be in the Pac-10.

BYU is better than Utah in just about every regard...better facilities, better endowment, better budget, better attendance, better academics. Utah got chosen over them because Cal and Stanford objected to a religion-based school getting into their conference. Since Baylor is a Baptist school, the Big 12 evidently doesn't have a problem with that.

I'd like to see the conference add BYU and stick at 11 for awhile. Use the Big 10 scheduling model.

**jbhtexas** · 07-31-2010, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Frak

I'd like to see the conference add BYU and stick at 11 for awhile. Use the Big 10 scheduling model.

What is BYU going to bring to the Big 12 such that their addition to the conference will not cause revenue to go down for the other ten schools?

If BYU cannot maintain or increase revenue for the other ten schools, why would they be added?

**Frak** · 07-31-2010, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

What is BYU going to bring to the Big 12 such that their addition to the conference will not cause revenue to go down for the other ten schools?

If BYU cannot maintain or increase revenue for the other ten schools, why would they be added?

I obviously don't know the financial numbers, but I could see how they could increase revenue. They are a national name with Mormons all over the country watching their games...that helps with ratings and would force ABC/Fox to shell out more money. They also bring a decent media market to the conference and get us back into the moutain time zone. BYU would be an asset academically and supposedly, they have an HD-ready broadcasting studio that COULD help in construction of a conference or partial-conference network. If I'm not mistaken, doesn't BYU already have a channel on DirecTV?

I don't know of many other schools not in the Big 11/Pac 10/SEC that would bring as much to the table as BYU does. ND and that's it. Teams like Arkansas, Louisville, BSU don't even come close. They may have a small budget now, but that is with MWC revenue and not Big 12. I think that the minute they join, they would be right in the middle of the conference in revenue and attendance. We'll see what happens, but I think that they would be a great addition.

**snowcraig2.0** · 07-31-2010, 11:16 PM

BYU probably brings more than any other candidate not named Notre Dame.

**CyCrazy** · 07-31-2010, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

BYU probably brings more than any other candidate not named Notre Dame.

What about Memphis

Oh **** nvm.........

**cykadelic2** · 07-31-2010, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

If BYU cannot maintain or increase revenue for the other ten schools, why would they be added?

They don't maintain or increase revenue, otherwise they would have been added already. The only scenario where they get added is if they join with Notre Dame.

**CyForPresident** · 07-31-2010, 11:32 PM

There is a whole thread on BYU already. Some pretty good articles.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/...-big-12-a.html (BYU and the Big 12)

**cykadelic2** · 08-01-2010, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by CyForPresident

There is a whole thread on BYU already. Some pretty good articles.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/...-big-12-a.html (BYU and the Big 12)

Bleacher Report needs to get a clue and understand that one of the major reasons why UT remained in the B12 was their ability to create their own branded TV network and retain all of their video/media rights. Other B12 schools can do likewise. As a result, there is not going to be a B12 TV Network unless UT changes its plans. BYU already has their own network on DirecTV and they do show some sports on there that are not telecast by the Mtn or Versus. The network is primarily for religious-focused LDS programming.

**ketelmeister** · 08-01-2010, 09:41 PM

BYU would help the Big 12, and since they get next to nothing from the MWC, they would come for a song. I really don't know how we don't add them. Add two teams, put Oklahoma in the North, and everyone can be happy. This has to be done with no negative impact on the money current teams (including ISU will get)

**jbhtexas** · 08-01-2010, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

BYU probably brings more than any other candidate not named Notre Dame.

That's just because the available candidates aren't that great...

**jbhtexas** · 08-01-2010, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Frak

They are a national name with Mormons all over the country watching their games...that helps with ratings and would force ABC/Fox to shell out more money.

I have not seen any reports indicating that BYU has a large national following or a large national viewership for their FB games. The schools with large national followings generally have large athletic budgets (see NU and ND) because they pull contributions from those national fans. With an athletic budget of $36,000,000, it seems more likely that BYU doesn't have a substantial national following.

If someone can post a link indicating that BYU has a large national following and would bring a substantial TV audience with them, I'll happily admit to being wrong. But until that happens, I'm not buying the large national TV audience angle for BYU. The numbers available just don't point to that.

**jbhtexas** · 08-01-2010, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

BYU would help the Big 12

How will BYU monetarily help the Big 12? Do you have any objective evidence to back up your assertion? You do understand that if BYU doesn't monetarily help the Big 12, they have virtually no chance of being invited to join the conference.

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

I really don't know how we don't add them.

I do...if adding BYU reduces the conference revenue for the other ten teams, they don't get added.

**hunttr82** · 08-01-2010, 11:46 PM

I think they will get to 12 teams again. Maybe not next year but they will eventually. But who says it has to be BYU as one of them?

**Tornado man** · 08-02-2010, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

I have not seen any reports indicating that BYU has a large national following or a large national viewership for their FB games. The schools with large national followings generally have large athletic budgets (see NU and ND) because they pull contributions from those national fans. With an athletic budget of $36,000,000, it seems more likely that BYU doesn't have a substantial national following.

I fail to understand how one can judge BYU's national following based on their budget. Actually, it just means BYU gets little or no revenue from fat TV contracts and the shared bowl payouts of the BCS conferences.
BYU would be a superior choice for the Big 12. It has a much larger fan following than Utah, for example.
Keep in mind that BYU's revenue of $36.7 mil last year put them second only to TCU among schools in non-AQ conferences.
Now, about their fan following:
1. BYU averaged 64,236 (in a 64,000-seat stadium) in football attendance last year, which is 27th nationally.
2. BYU averaged 14,029 in basketball attendance last year, which is 17th nationally.
Utah's numbers, by comparison, were 45,155 (football) and 9,202 (basketball).

BYU would be a home run choice for the Big 12. An absolute home run.

**RustShack** · 08-02-2010, 12:55 AM

I would think joining the Big12 would increase their fan base/following, and playing good schools will increase the money they pull in. They are good enough to win games, and that will turn into money. Honestly it probably wouldn't take long for them to be middle of the pack in the Big12 in terms of the money they pull in as long as they keep winning.