Kick ISU out of the BCS

**CyCrazy** · 08-01-2010, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by johnnytsunami

Haha the directors cup.......please do us all a favor and quit bringing this up for ISU's defense....it embarrasses us all, no one cares......and when I say no one, I mean NO ONE

Why, is the Directors Cup somehow making ISU look bad?

**dualthreat** · 08-01-2010, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by clonedude

They do realize of course, that if BYU, TCU, and others were in the Big 12, Big 10, SEC, etc... that they would then also make their list of teams that should be removed?

What I'm saying is that BYU and TCU would also not compete very well in the big time conferences as they do now in their lesser conferences.

ISU is in the top 30 schools in the entire country in athletics. The Director's Cup says so. How good is TCU at basketball?

You're exactly right. Kicking the "losing" schools out of the BCS would not solve anything. In conference play, you will always have winners and losers. The games will be played, and someone will have to lose them.

You could compare it to the NFL. This would almost be like kicking the Lions out of the NFL and adding the Texas Longhorns because of how many games they win. Neglecting to see how good the teams were that the Lions played.

So TCU beats up on the MWC... and eventually they build themselves into a pretty darn good program. This is HAS TO happen!! Someone in that conference HAS to become good! They can't ALL lose!

Such claims like this by the Bleacher report are just stupid.

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**dbronco7sc** · 08-01-2010, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by johnnytsunami

Haha the directors cup.......please do us all a favor and quit bringing this up for ISU's defense....it embarrasses us all, no one cares......and when I say no one, I mean NO ONE

Please don't speak for me.

**Tornado man** · 08-01-2010, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by CYCRAZY

Why, is the Directors Cup somehow making ISU look bad?

Maybe not bad, but it sure is misleading - track/cross country was responsible for 42% of our total points.

**isuno1fan** · 08-01-2010, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

Maybe not bad, but it sure is misleading - track/cross country was responsible for 42% of our total points.

I find nothing wrong with that. Good for us.

**JustRedman** · 08-01-2010, 12:38 PM

I hate the argument that a lesser school with an amazing record (Boise St as an example) would fair just as well in a BCS conference. Boise is a good team, but they would undoubtably take a hit in win % if they went to the Pac-12.
Sure they have proven they can beat the likes of OU, but 1 game a year versus top notch competition, and having to pull out ALL the stops to beat them hardly justifies moving other schools out of a conference to make room.
I have said for a while that if ISU were in the WAC or C-USA, etc they would be a top tier non-BCS school, and it may actually change the perception of ISU being a bottom 10 program. We would become a Fresno St, BSU, TCU type team. 9 wins a season in a lesser conference. We may be a better team in a BCS conference, but the wins don't add up the same as BSU playing 9 nobodies in-route to an 11 win season. If we were to get bumped to a non-BCS conference we would more than likely finish in the top 1-2 every year within that conference, thus starting the "ISU should move up to a BCS conference and Team X should drop down."

**xboxfever** · 08-01-2010, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by clonedude

They do realize of course, that if BYU, TCU, and others were in the Big 12, Big 10, SEC, etc... that they would then also make their list of teams that should be removed?

What I'm saying is that BYU and TCU would also not compete very well in the big time conferences as they do now in their lesser conferences.

ISU is in the top 30 schools in the entire country in athletics. The Director's Cup says so. How good is TCU at basketball?

BCS. That means football. The guy is saying kick those teams out of big time FOOTBALL conferences. Not basketball. TCU would compete for titles in a BCS conference. They already get very good recruiting classes, being in a BCS conference would only make recruiting that much better.

**chadm** · 08-01-2010, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by xboxfever

BCS. That means football. The guy is saying kick those teams out of big time FOOTBALL conferences. Not basketball. TCU would compete for titles in a BCS conference. They already get very good recruiting classes, being in a BCS conference would only make recruiting that much better.

BCS conferences

That is the what was stated in the OP. And conference does mean basketball etc.

**Jarrods79** · 08-01-2010, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by JustRedman

I hate the argument that a lesser school with an amazing record (Boise St as an example) would fair just as well in a BCS conference. Boise is a good team, but they would undoubtably take a hit in win % if they went to the Pac-12.
Sure they have proven they can beat the likes of OU, but 1 game a year versus top notch competition, and having to pull out ALL the stops to beat them hardly justifies moving other schools out of a conference to make room.
I have said for a while that if ISU were in the WAC or C-USA, etc they would be a top tier non-BCS school, and it may actually change the perception of ISU being a bottom 10 program. We would become a Fresno St, BSU, TCU type team. 9 wins a season in a lesser conference. We may be a better team in a BCS conference, but the wins don't add up the same as BSU playing 9 nobodies in-route to an 11 win season. If we were to get bumped to a non-BCS conference we would more than likely finish in the top 1-2 every year within that conference, thus starting the "ISU should move up to a BCS conference and Team X should drop down."

That is all fine and good if you look at the structure of our team as it is now, and moving that into their conference. I believe that if we moved permanently in their conference we would slowly regress to their level...recruiting (which is already hard), coaching, budget. It is hard to say we would be a top-tier non BCS school with everything we would lose.

**xboxfever** · 08-01-2010, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by chadm

That is the what was stated in the OP. And conference does mean basketball etc.

BCS(Bowl Championship Series) is football. They are saying kick them out of football conferences. The Big East for example, has 16 basketball schools, but only 8 football schools.

**jahfg** · 08-01-2010, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by johnnytsunami

Haha the directors cup.......please do us all a favor and quit bringing this up for ISU's defense....it embarrasses us all, no one cares......and when I say no one, I mean NO ONE

I don't care if no one cares. It is an objective measure of ISU's athletic performance. We did well. It is okay to be proud of that

**chadm** · 08-01-2010, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by xboxfever

BCS(Bowl Championship Series) is football. They are saying kick them out of football conferences. The Big East for example, has 16 basketball schools, but only 8 football schools.

Do the other schools play football?

**CloneFan65** · 08-01-2010, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by johnnytsunami

Haha the directors cup.......please do us all a favor and quit bringing this up for ISU's defense....it embarrasses us all, no one cares......and when I say no one, I mean NO ONE

Speak for yourself. What's wrong with measuring schools' overall success in athletics?

**johnnytsunami** · 08-01-2010, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by CYCRAZY

Why, is the Directors Cup somehow making ISU look bad?

It's not the Director's cup that makes ISU look bad, it's the fans who brag to other teams' fans about ISU being better than them in the Director's cup. When a fan from another team jokes about ISU being a weak opponent and their response is "Oh well look how we did in the Director's Cup." It's those type of comments that are embarrassing. Maybe not everyone feels that way and that's fine, I take back my comment about no one caring. My point was that other teams who have prestigious football and men's basketball programs could care less how Iowa State fared in the Director's Cup. Heck, I had never even heard of the Director's Cup until this year. And for the comment about not trading a win in football for our position in the Director's Cup, that's understandable, but would you trade a solid FB team that goes to a BCS game for the Director's Cup? I bet if we had a team that went to a BCS game or a bball team that goes to the Elite 8 there won't be one single post on here referring to the Director's Cup. Sorry to generalize everyone in my previous post, I meant other teams' fans don't care, not ISU fans