What was it with McCarney and kickers?

**weR138** · 08-13-2010, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by RayShimley

No one is disputing he was a disappointing FG kicker. If I remember correctly, after 2001 TY only was used to kick FG's that were longer than 40 yards. Maybe the reason you aren't able to find any evidence to support your argument is because it doesn't exist? Every kicker has a few gaffes in his career (especially one who was a cyclone for SIX years). TY was always an excellent on punts and kick-offs, your insistence otherwise is baffling.

This Tony Yelk stuff needs to end. TY had a giant leg and routinely kicked it out of the end zone. He was integral to the field position battle. If he was a bad punter and a bad FG or PAT kicker that is something he shouldn't have been doing. The recognition of that is on the coaching staff. Remember too that Tony was always in a lot of pain when he kicked and he still crushed it. I prefer to remember Tony for how he helped the team and he did, a lot.

**weR138** · 08-13-2010, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by pulse

We couldn't even get into field position. It seemed like we'd always stall out between the 40s (that is if we got that far).

I'd like to see DMCs career red zone percentage. I don't want to give Dan a hard time but you simply can't put the heartbreaking losses all on the kickers. The statement that the kicking game cost us the '04 Mizzou game and '05 KU game is an over-simplification of those games and lets ****ty offensive play calling off the hook.

Those coaches knew what was at stake and they knew that they couldn't rely on the kicking game.

**theshadow** · 08-13-2010, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by BigDogCyclone

If memory serves me right, Walden had better kickers....Ty Stewart and Jeff Schudak (sp?) are the ones I remember best.

Career FG Pct (10+ attempts):
1. Adam Benike (.742)
2. Jeff Shudak (.734)
3. Bret Culbertson (.691)
T4. Grant Mahoney (.667)
T4. Rick Frank (.667)
6. Ty Stewart (.647)

Frank had a 2" tee, as did Shudak for two years (eliminated in 1989).
Shudak and Frank had the 23'4" goalposts (changed to 18'6" in 1991).
Shudak, Frank and Stewart all had artificial turf as the main kicking surface.

**cyrocksmypants** · 08-13-2010, 02:52 PM

Yelk wasn't bad. I think if the Alabama kick were called correctly, there wouldn't be a person on this site that didn't have anything but gleaming things to say about him.

**Cyrocks** · 08-13-2010, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by weR138

I'd like to see DMCs career red zone percentage. I don't want to give Dan a hard time but you simply can't put the heartbreaking losses all on the kickers. The statement that the kicking game cost us the '04 Mizzou game and '05 KU game is an over-simplification of those games and lets ****ty offensive play calling off the hook.

Absolutely freaking right!

**tazclone** · 08-13-2010, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by sodakjoe

What a lot of people don't remember is that Culbertson SAVED our seasons from the other ATROCIOUS kickers we had at the beginning of '04. BC had an issue with the high pressure kicks, but he was remarkably consistent throughout the year. Without BC's kicking, there's a good chance that we don't make bowl games either of those years.

Shaggy went into his Senior with the best FG % of any ISU kicker. So many people fail to see or understand that point. He was better than average.
As for his pressure kicks...Shaggy was great and golden inside of 40 yards. He hit something like 90%. Beyond that he was under 50%. A few of those pressure kicks were 43, 46 yarders. That falls on the coaching staff. they have to know to get him inside of 40 yards. The other ones he missed, 23 yards were horrible angles. HORRIBLE. he should make those but why the heck we run left instead of up the middle, I will never know.

**tazclone** · 08-13-2010, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by theshadow

Career FG Pct (10+ attempts):
1. Adam Benike (.742)
2. Jeff Shudak (.734)
3. Bret Culbertson (.691)
T4. Grant Mahoney (.667)
T4. Rick Frank (.667)
6. Ty Stewart (.647)

Frank had a 2" tee, as did Shudak for two years (eliminated in 1989).
Shudak and Frank had the 23'4" goalposts (changed to 18'6" in 1991).
Shudak, Frank and Stewart all had artificial turf as the main kicking surface.

Culbertson's average was brought down in his Sr year as well. He had the best FG% in ISU history prior to his Sr year. I think he was 50% his Sr. year. Mostly due to chiz**** not understanding Shaggy's limits

**ISUChippewa** · 08-13-2010, 03:43 PM

Yelk wasn't bad. I think if the Alabama kick were called correctly, there wouldn't be a person on this site that didn't have anything but gleaming things to say about him.

This dovetails with what everyone else is saying about poor offensive play-calling, etc, under McCarney, but considering how we dominated Alabama in that game, we should have put up more than 13 points (or even 16 if they had called the FG good) and not even have been in that position anyway to win or lose on a field goal.

**ca4cy** · 08-13-2010, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by ISUChippewa

Yelk wasn't bad. I think if the Alabama kick were called correctly, there wouldn't be a person on this site that didn't have anything but gleaming things to say about him.

This dovetails with what everyone else is saying about poor offensive play-calling, etc, under McCarney, but considering how we dominated Alabama in that game, we should have put up more than 13 points (or even 16 if they had called the FG good) and not even have been in that position anyway to win or lose on a field goal.

Let's not forget about the delay of game penaly COMING OUT OF A TIMEOUT late in that game that was very costly. What a frustrating game that was.

**weisr2002** · 08-13-2010, 04:22 PM

Billy Cundiff from Harlan, kicked at Drake, and in the pros, should have gotten a scholly to ISU. But I think he wanted to play some other sports at Drake too.

**ISUKyro** · 08-13-2010, 04:28 PM

He also had a bit of a habit of always trying to run it up the middle in the redzone..... think teams caught on to that one pretty quickly!

**VeloClone** · 08-13-2010, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by tazclone

Shaggy went into his Senior with the best FG % of any ISU kicker. So many people fail to see or understand that point. He was better than average.
As for his pressure kicks...Shaggy was great and golden inside of 40 yards. He hit something like 90%. Beyond that he was under 50%. A few of those pressure kicks were 43, 46 yarders. That falls on the coaching staff. they have to know to get him inside of 40 yards. The other ones he missed, 23 yards were horrible angles. HORRIBLE. he should make those but why the heck we run left instead of up the middle, I will never know.

Originally Posted by ISUKyro

He also had a bit of a habit of always trying to run it up the middle in the redzone..... think teams caught on to that one pretty quickly!

Exhibit A of why being a coach is a totally thankless job. You are damned no matter what you do.

**ISUKyro** · 08-13-2010, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by VeloClone

Exhibit A of why being a coach is a totally thankless job. You are damned no matter what you do.

The man did it EVERY single time. He never tried anything different - not like he had much luck with that either.

**tazclone** · 08-13-2010, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by VeloClone

Exhibit A of why being a coach is a totally thankless job. You are damned no matter what you do.

You are in position to win the game with a kicker kicking a 25 yard field goal. Most coaches would run up the middle to give them as good angle. We run left. It happened more times than not on those field goals. It is a no brainer. Most of the time the play calling was conservative anyway so why not give your FG kicker the best shot?

Running up the middle with time running out is different than running up the middle in the redzone in the first quarter or on 1st and 2nd down.

**VeloClone** · 08-13-2010, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by ISUKyro

The man did it EVERY single time. He never tried anything different - not like he had much luck with that either.

I got tired of seeing it too, but TazClone is complaining because he didn't in that case.

I just think the arm chair coaching gets ridiculous, as do what is expected of coaches some times. Good thing they are way overpaid.