What was it with McCarney and kickers?

**clone26** · 08-13-2010, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by VeloClone

I got tired of seeing it too, but TazClone is complaining because he didn't in that case.

I just think the arm chair coaching gets ridiculous, as do what is expected of coaches some times. Good thing they are way overpaid.

During my time there, there wasn't a kicking coach. The kickers had to correct their own mechanical flaws by watching tape or getting help from other kickers. Being that everyone wanted the job, You can imagine one Guy might not want to help another.

Brian Jansen started the season before BC took over. Brian didn't miss in practice and yelk was hurt so they had no choice but to play him.

The most recent scholly offers for kickers out of high school were josh Griebahn and Chris mahoski. Neither one ever panned out.

**Stormin** · 08-13-2010, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by cyhiphopp

Tony Yelk was a decent punter, but an average at best kicker with little consistency. He also didn't get punts off fast enough and had more than his share blocked.

So, Gomez was a punter turned kicker who got a scholly. Yelk did double duty and was a better punter thana kicker and he got a schollie.

How many guys did DMac give schollies to out of high school? That might be the big difference.

As conservative as DMAc was it seems odd. He often seemed to go conservative and set up the game tying/winning kick instead of going to the end zone only to have a big kick missed. Three short runs and a missed 24 yrd missed FG...
I would think a conservative coach would do everything he could to recruit some talent at kicker.

Actually DMac was really poor at setting up the FG. Common sense would tell you to run a play to the middle of the field thereby creating the absolute largest opening between the uprights. Too many times we would be deep in the opponents territory and kicking from one of the far hashmarks at a very severe angle.

DMac did NOT make it easy for his kickers. He left them tough angles. He would have been better off getting the ball to the center of the field for the FG.

**cayin** · 08-13-2010, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by weR138

I'd like to see DMCs career red zone percentage. I don't want to give Dan a hard time but you simply can't put the heartbreaking losses all on the kickers. The statement that the kicking game cost us the '04 Mizzou game and '05 KU game is an over-simplification of those games and lets ****ty offensive play calling off the hook.

Those coaches knew what was at stake and they knew that they couldn't rely on the kicking game.

Bingo. There was plenty of mistakes made before it came down to the kickers. 05 at KU the defense was on the field a lot. It was the last game of the year and Leaders and Curvey played almost every down the whole year. They were not going to hold up that late in the year by being on the field all afternoon. By mid way through the 4rth, KU could do whatever they wanted on offense. They just thrashed us. The problem was the offense just did not seem to have a sense of urgency and the play calling that day was ultra conservative. 4 times during the game on 3rd down Brett Meyer would roll out not see anything he liked and threw the ball away. The broadcasting team remark how smart it was to throw it away. However, in this instance, they were dead wrong. At some point during the game, Meyer needed to throw and try and make a play. He had to try something to keep the O on the field and the D off the field. I mean, to not even try and make a play with a title on the line? I'm not blaming Brett, I'm sure he was coached to do that. The coaching staff played not to lose that day and it bit them in the butt.

**San Francisco Cy** · 08-13-2010, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by isufbcurt

Carl Gomez, Jamie Kohl, and Tony Yelk all were scholarship kickers

In fairness, I believe Gomez and Yelk were both recruited as punters...and become place kickers out of necessity...

**cyingreen** · 08-15-2010, 04:35 AM

All of this bashing of kickers not kicking and coaches not coaching, conservative play calling to try to preserve an evaporating lead, and failure to field-position the ball for the most favorable kicking angle, all this stuff overlooks the silver lining in ISU's kicking cloud. How many other schools can say that there is genuine fear and excitement in the stands for the average, ordinary PAT and short field goal attempts? Here in Cyclone country, it's one of the most exciting plays of the game.

**ISUAlum2002** · 08-15-2010, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by cyingreen

How many other schools can say that there is genuine fear and excitement in the stands for the average, ordinary PAT and short field goal attempts? Here in Cyclone country, it's one of the most exciting plays of the game.

The point is that it shouldn't be. PAT's should be a foregone conclusion, but they aren't anymore for us.

**Gnomeborg** · 08-15-2010, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by cyhiphopp

Tony Yelk was a decent punter, but an average at best kicker with little consistency. He also didn't get punts off fast enough and had more than his share blocked.

So, Gomez was a punter turned kicker who got a scholly. Yelk did double duty and was a better punter thana kicker and he got a schollie.

How many guys did DMac give schollies to out of high school? That might be the big difference.

As conservative as DMAc was it seems odd. He often seemed to go conservative and set up the game tying/winning kick instead of going to the end zone only to have a big kick missed. Three short runs and a missed 24 yrd missed FG...
I would think a conservative coach would do everything he could to recruit some talent at kicker.

a... decent punter? Yelk was a decent punter?

**ISUAlum2002** · 08-15-2010, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Gnomeborg

a... decent punter? Yelk was a decent punter?

Tony Yelk Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

He averaged 42.3 yards per punt, that's not horrible.

Mike Brandtner Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Brandtner averaged 40.7 yards per punt. I realize the sample size for Yelk is smaller, but some in here are acting like he had a noodle leg.

**Stormin** · 08-15-2010, 08:56 AM

Yelk had a huge leg. But he took a lot of time getting punts off. And when teams realized they could turn up the heat and block his punts, he wasn't as effective. Yelk didn't adjust well to that.

**ISUAlum2002** · 08-15-2010, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Stormin

Yelk had a huge leg. But he took a lot of time getting punts off. And when teams realized they could turn up the heat and block his punts, he wasn't as effective. Yelk didn't adjust well to that.

Yeah, the stats I found don't really account for that. He wasn't the best, but I don't remember him shanking them left and right, either.

**isuno1fan** · 08-15-2010, 08:36 PM

One of the years Yelk punted, he had like 4 or 5 of them blocked. That's insane.

Kid had one heck of a strong leg though. His kickoffs were his best contribution tot he team overall.