ISU vs Iowa Position Debate

[Matt92x]

QB- Draw. I am counting Arnaud's runing ability. Because of his legs, I almost give us an edge here.

HB- ISU by a little. Alexander outshines both Hampton and Adam R. Together tho, they give him a run for his money.

TE/WR- Iowa by a little. The TE may be a tie if Franklin plays like last week, but DJK and McNutt are better than anybody we got. They seem to drop off a bit after that, tho, so ISU closes the gap with their 3rd-5th wr.

OL- Tie. KO is a monster. Iowa always has a good Oline, but this year they are a little down.

DL- Iowa by a lot. KO may be able to neutralize clayborn a bit, but they still outclass anybody CPR can thro out their on our DL.

LB- Tie. Both are pretty green. I think ours are a little more talented, but Iowa holds a little more experience (backups for 2/3 years instead of just 1).

DB- Tie. Sims is much more of an athlete than Sash, and outside the Arnaud game of catch, he didn't have many picks last year. But I give them a push. FS is even. O'connell and Greenwood are both smart but uninspiring. The corners, LJ is the best of either team but Iowa's corners are both better in coverage than Benton. He is pretty good in run support tho, so I will give that a tie aswell.

ST- Iowa by a little. Mahoney is inaccurate and dangerous on his PAT's. Our punters first punt went 18 yards. until it gets better, I give Iowa the kicking edge. They also get after punts pretty well.

Off- Even (maybe a little edge to ISU)
Def- Iowa by a good margin, unless the defense seasons up and fixes the arm tackle, then just by a little bit.

[burky247]

QB- I'm going to say a draw as well. It's hard to compare them side by side when they are different types of QB's.

RB- Very slight edge to ISU.

WR/TE-Iowa. Tons of depth. They will be utilized much more Saturday than they were yesterday.

OL- ISU.

DL- Iowa

LB- Push. I think Tarp comes back otherwise I would have put this in ISU's column.

DB- slight edge to Iowa. Getting Prater back gives Iowa the edge.

ST- slight edge to Iowa . Still unsure about fg kicking since Mossbrucker didn't attempt anything but PAT's. But Donahue is one of the best and Iowa has a good punt blocking unit.

[dualthreat]

how about this:

ISU QB vs Iowa DBs = Iowa DBs
ISU RB vs Iowa LBs = ISU RB
ISU OL vs Iowa DL = Iowa DL
ISU WR vs Iowa CB = I think ISU's WR are better, but will be out coached

Iowa QB vs ISU DBs = Very close here, Stanzi will probably have around 180-220 yards passing
Iowa RB vs ISU LBs = Very close here again, Adam Rob will probably rush for 100 yards on 25 carries
Iowa WR vs ISU corners = Ter'ran Benton is going to have to step up big time to cover McNutt LJ should hold his own against either McNutt or DJK
Iowa OL vs ISU DL = Iowa OL

I think iowa state matches up fairly well. We need to find an answer to that PA to TE or PA to full back out of the backfield or PA to WR running deep. If we can pressure Stanzi, something tells me he will throw into coverage...

We are going to need to pull out all the stops to get into the endzone. Herman needs to get a gameplan for these guys. No reason, with our offense, we can't spread them out and sling one into the endzone. We are a good enough team to score twice and find the redzone twice more. Iowa 24 ISU 20

[RustShack]

Iowa is the better team, but I think we match up well enough to beat them. They have a great defense, but they will have a hard time stopping our spread offense. They have a pretty decent offense, but I think our defense is good enough... with the talent to be pretty good(well the DL isn't quite there... but I wouldn't say Iowa has a great OL anyways). It will come down to the teams kickers.

[CYphyllis]

Sash is a SS and no one but ISU fans would put Sims ahead of him. Sash is on almost every preseason All-American team.

Until you look at their stats from last year and see they are nearly identical.

Sims - 88 Tackles/5 int/3 FF
Sash - 86 Tackles/6 int/2 FF

[deadeyededric]

Until you look at their stats from last year and see they are nearly identical.

Sims - 88 Tackles/5 int/3 FF
Sash - 86 Tackles/6 int/2 FF

I don't care what AA teams Sash is on, he is not better than Sims. I was gonna stay out of this till somebody brought that up. I'm just glad Iowa fans aren't narrow minded!

[NotEss]

Until you look at their stats from last year and see they are nearly identical.

Sims - 88 Tackles/5 int/3 FF
Sash - 86 Tackles/6 int/2 FF

Sash played against far better competition.

Arizona, Penn State, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan State, Northwestern, Georgia Tech

vs.

Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Missouri

[deadeyededric]

Sash played against far better competition.

Arizona, Penn State, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan State, Northwestern, Georgia Tech

vs.

Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Missouri

Who cares about the schedule? Honestly, David Sims is an absolute beast! Clayborn is the only football player that will be out there better than him.

[Covenant Clone]

Sash played against far better competition.

Arizona, Penn State, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan State, Northwestern, Georgia Tech

vs.

Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Missouri

The one really important thing you failing to recognize is that Sims had to be good behind a terrible D-line that didn't get any pressure on the quarterback. The ISU secondary had to cover twice as long as Iowa's. I'm not saying Sash isn't good but Sims is just a better player...end of story.

[NotEss]

The one really important thing you failing to recognize is that Sims had to be good behind a terrible D-line that didn't get any pressure on the quarterback. The ISU secondary had to cover twice as long as Iowa's. I'm not saying Sash isn't good but Sims is just a better player...end of story.

I was hoping you would bring that up.

It also gives him far more opportunities to rack up stats due to your poor defense. He has to tackle and cover far more often than he should.

[Covenant Clone]

I was hoping you would bring that up.

It also gives him far more opportunities to rack up stats due to your poor defense. He has to tackle and cover far more often than he should.

He has to cover more often because teams in the Big 12 throw the ball a lot more than big 10 teams and when you play behind a bad d-line that puts tons of pressure on the defensive backfield. We can throw stats completely out the window if you want, the fact still remains that Sims is a better athlete and football player than Sash...and I'm not sure why you can't understand that.

[NotEss]

Who cares about the schedule? Honestly, David Sims is an absolute beast! Clayborn is the only football player that will be out there better than him.

False. Sash, Clayborn, and Ballard are all better than Sims.

[NotEss]

He has to cover more often because teams in the Big 12 throw the ball a lot more than big 10 teams and when you play behind a bad d-line that puts tons of pressure on the defensive backfield. We can throw stats completely out the window if you want, the fact still remains that Sims is a better athlete and football player than Sash...and I'm not sure why you can't understand that.

I guess I am not the only one that can't understand that given that coaches, writers, scouts and many others seem to think Sash is a better player.

[Covenant Clone]

I guess I am not the only one that can't understand that given that coaches, writers, scouts and many others seem to think Sash is a better player.

Show me a link that compares the two and flat states that Sash from Iowa is better than Sims from ISU. Sash plays on a nationally recognized team that was preseason ranked in the top 10 and Sims plays for a team that was picked to finish last in the Big 12. Not that hard to figure out.

[RustShack]

Sash played against far better competition.

Arizona, Penn State, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan State, Northwestern, Georgia Tech

vs.

Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Missouri

Sash wouldn't be on those lists if it weren't for his game against Iowa State