MBB: Official: Cory Johnson to Transfer

Landshark · 03-28-2008, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by candg4ever

Our other loss this year, Vette, had nothing to do with the school or coaching staff, just a kid feeling out of place. He and his father had nothing but the highest praise for ISU and the coaching staff.

You certainly can't hold McDertmott to blame for the mass exodus when he was hired, can you?

Very good points, but at some point this has to stop and at some point you might have to start wondering.....

Let's hope this is the end of it, I was looking forward to watching CJ his last two years at ISU. Goodluck to him!!!

Cyclonepride · 03-28-2008, 05:53 AM

I'm sorry to see Corey go, and I wish him well. I still thought that he had a good shot of being a strong contributor before he was through.

BryceC · 03-28-2008, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by candg4ever

A pretty unfair comparison, to say the least. Even if coach Mac told him what was, or wasn't, in his future, he is being honest with a young man who has a desire to contribute more than he probably could've here. I'm not knocking CJ's work ethic, he was probably our hardest worker on the court, but some would use that as motivation to improve their game and position on the depth chart, others look for greener pastures.

Our other loss this year, Vette, had nothing to do with the school or coaching staff, just a kid feeling out of place. He and his father had nothing but the highest praise for ISU and the coaching staff.

You certainly can't hold McDertmott to blame for the mass exodus when he was hired, can you?

I don't blame McDermott for the mass exodus, I have no reason to. It's not like all of the transfers under Alford were his fault either, but they happened nonetheless.

I consider CJ to be a Greg recruit - he chose to bring him into the program. He could have brought Westbrook into the program but chose not to. To me that says that he spent the time keeping CJ on board.

Here is our 2006 recruiting class -

CJ
Dodie
McIntosh
Taylor
Johnson

There is one guy left.

Here is our 2007 recruiting class:

Booz
Brackins
Brister
Garrett
Staiger
Vette

Two guys already gone, rumors of another.

So we've had two recruiting classes of scholarship guys that have already gotten here, totaling 11 kids. SIX have left early. If that isn't a cause for concern for you, that's fine. It is for me.

wartknight · 03-28-2008, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by BryceC

Here is our 2006 recruiting class -

CJ
Dodie
McIntosh
Taylor
Johnson

There is one guy left.

Here is our 2007 recruiting class:

Booz
Brackins
Brister
Garrett
Staiger
Vette

Two guys already gone, rumors of another.

So we've had two recruiting classes of scholarship guys that have already gotten here, totaling 11 kids. SIX have left early. If that isn't a cause for concern for you, that's fine. It is for me.

I would like to see what those numbers look like for the FLoyd/Eustachy years. I wouldn't be surprised to see them look similar.

BryceC · 03-28-2008, 07:07 AM

They might be. A lot of people are quick to point out that's where McD will be different from them though - and so far that hasn't been the case.

CycloneGizzard · 03-28-2008, 07:12 AM

Man, BryceC, I couldn't agree with you more. When is the high turnover going to stop at ISU? It started with Eustachy and now it keeps going with McD. He has to get some stability going here.

I've been saying all along when people were projecting the starters and key contributers next year to just wait and see who all is still playing for ISU next year before getting ahead of yourself. I just hope this is our one loss for the offseason and that all the current players and all the incoming recruits are actually on the team next year.

By the way, I'm going to assume that you are talking about Boozer being the other 07 recruit that may leave ISU?

BryceC · 03-28-2008, 07:15 AM

I don't know who else might be considering it, nor do I really care until we hear anything. I'm just wouldn't be surprised at this point.

iowast8fan · 03-28-2008, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by CycloneGizzard

By the way, I'm going to assume that you are talking about Boozer being the other 07 recruit that may leave ISU?

I thought he was talking about Brackins.

cyismydog · 03-28-2008, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by iowast8fan

I thought he was talking about Brackins.

No, Brack isn't even considering leaving. It was just a a rampant internet rumor.

kg-cyclone · 03-28-2008, 07:57 AM

Brackins and Boozer are staying...Made a point to ask about them last night.

Cydkar · 03-28-2008, 08:03 AM

"I consider CJ to be a Greg recruit - he chose to bring him into the program. He could have brought Westbrook into the program but chose not to. To me that says that he spent the time keeping CJ on board."

That's ridiculous. Of course Mac would try to retain committed players.

cyclonenum1 · 03-28-2008, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by BryceC

I don't blame McDermott for the mass exodus, I have no reason to. It's not like all of the transfers under Alford were his fault either, but they happened nonetheless.

I consider CJ to be a Greg recruit - he chose to bring him into the program. He could have brought Westbrook into the program but chose not to. To me that says that he spent the time keeping CJ on board.

Here is our 2006 recruiting class -

CJ
Dodie
McIntosh
Taylor
Johnson

There is one guy left.

Here is our 2007 recruiting class:

Booz
Brackins
Brister
Garrett
Staiger
Vette

Two guys already gone, rumors of another.

So we've had two recruiting classes of scholarship guys that have already gotten here, totaling 11 kids. SIX have left early. If that isn't a cause for concern for you, that's fine. It is for me.

Nice post. Especially in light of how we are always showered with the "it takes time because McDermott is doing it the right way" talk from those with blind faith in McDermott.

Player turnover is pretty typical around the country with many programs having to deal with these same issues. However, This level of turnover does appear to be on the higher side than I have seen elsewhere.

The reality is that Cory Johnson was not a Big 12 caliber player...too slow to play outside and too small to play inside. He should go to Augustana and hook up with McIntosh. We need Big 12 caliber players if we are to be competitive in the Big 12.

c.y.c.l.o.n.e.s · 03-28-2008, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by kg-cyclone

Brackins and Boozer are staying...Made a point to ask about them last night.

Thanks for the info, KG.

I love it when you clear things up with a definitive answer like that. And I hate it at the same time. Since you obviously have an inside track to info, what you post is as good as gold to me. At the same time, and for the same reasons, it's what you DON"T post that drives me crazy.

For example, you could have just as easily said that Corey is the last known defection at this time. But you didn't which makes me think you are privy to more information about others that you can't reveal.

With that said, please keep the iinfo coming. I'll just have to learn to cope with my paranoia.

cyclonenum1 · 03-28-2008, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Cydkar

"I consider CJ to be a Greg recruit - he chose to bring him into the program. He could have brought Westbrook into the program but chose not to. To me that says that he spent the time keeping CJ on board."

That's ridiculous. Of course Mac would try to retain committed players.

Huh? Did McDermott try to retain the players already at ISU like Taggart and Carr, for example?

Frankly, I think it was foolish that he appears to have not done more to retain guys already at ISU when he came on board.

I know many of you want to knock these guys that left as not being good guys or even good players but their performance on and off the court post ISU would indicate otherwise.

Or maybe you will tell me he had no chance to save them because of the system he wanted to implement...but clearly, the best coaches adapt/change their systems to fit their talent.

Lastly, don't give me the Wayne Morgan told them to transfer talk...Cyfan13 (Rahshon's fiance') has totally debunked that myth.

CyinCo · 03-28-2008, 08:23 AM

How do we know McD didn't "help" Cory decide to play elsewhere. We need people who can contribute. Cory was only playing a couple mintues per game. There was a reason he only played a couple minutes per game. McD has limited amount of space and he needs to be selective. Quite frankly, Cory frees up a Scholarship that ISU can use to bring in someone who could give 10 or 15 minutes of quality play time per game.

Don't get me wrong. I like Cory. I thought he worked hard. But he just wasn't going to push for playing time. He hasn't really progressed his game after he arrived on campus.

Good luck to Cory.