CycloneNotables: Coaching Search Update - 11/17

CysMyGuy · 11-17-2006, 12:14 AM

Talked to a player at Rice. He had accepted a scholly to play for Krags at Tulsa, but when the DC left Tulsa for Rice, the kid went with. Word from that group is that Krag won't be at Tulsa next year. Doesn't mean ISU is in the mix, but makes me believe that Krag's words to the world about staying at Tulsa may not be solid.

Who knows -- let's just hope there is an annoucement soon.

Wesley · 11-17-2006, 12:29 AM

The mmore I
hear about these others like Kragthorpe, the better Harbaugh sounds.

Psyclone Brian · 11-17-2006, 12:43 AM

Let's not forget, Jim Tressel coached at Division I-AA Youngstown State. He also led his first Ohio State squad to a 7-5 record that included a pretty dramatic road win over Michigan in the regular-season finale.

looneytunes22 · 11-17-2006, 12:49 AM

Just curious as to what connections all of these guys may have with the state of Iowa, Iowa State, Ames, etc. We all want the best coach possible but if he will only be around a few years before jumping ship it's really not worth it. I want a guy that will spend his career here as long as he earns it and brings stability to the program when it so desperately needs it. I think that is one of the most appealing qualities in GMac and why many of us really want/expect him to excel.
-I apologize if this has already been discussed but I don't recall seeing anything about it.

dustball · 11-17-2006, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by looneytunes22

Just curious as to what connections all of these guys may have with the state of Iowa, Iowa State, Ames, etc. We all want the best coach possible but if he will only be around a few years before jumping ship it's really not worth it. I want a guy that will spend his career here as long as he earns it and brings stability to the program when it so desperately needs it. I think that is one of the most appealing qualities in GMac and why many of us really want/expect him to excel.
-I apologize if this has already been discussed but I don't recall seeing anything about it.

I agree but I think we need some much needed energy pumped into our football program and Mr. Harbaugh is the guy that will do that. I really don't care if Coach Harbaugh leaves for better pastures after 3-5 years. He is what our program needs right now!! Otherise I honestly think it was a mistake to get rid of our ROCK Dan McCarney.

dustball · 11-17-2006, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by dustball

I agree but I think we need some much needed energy pumped into our football program and Mr. Harbaugh is the guy that will do that. I really don't care if Coach Harbaugh leaves for better pastures after 3-5 years. He is what our program needs right now!! Otherise I honestly think it was a mistake to get rid of our ROCK Dan McCarney.

I am not saying that Mr. Harbaugh will be the next Johnny Majors or Earl Bruce but god damn it we could use someone like that right now!!!

gocubs2118 · 11-17-2006, 01:38 AM

Jeremy, I remember you saying last week that Harbaugh has some recruits lined up to follow Harbaugh where ever he goes. My question is what if some of the recruits dont want to come to Iowa State. Can he lose some of them or are they pretty much locked in stone to follow where ever he winds up.

TheClone · 11-17-2006, 01:50 AM

What I find amusing, is how many people are convinced that one of the candidates has to be a "decoy" due to the way the basketball search transpired (Jeter).

I don't think we can infer JP's hiring strategy on a sample size of one (Wrestling doesn't count, obviously that wasn't a national search, we already had our guy).

Plus, I'm not convinced Jeter was really a "decoy". Who knows what really happened between JP and Jeter besides the two of them.

Also, in hind sight, you can spin it any way you want. If we get Brewster, was Harbaugh a decoy? Conversely, if we get Harbaugh, was Brewster a decoy? In my opinion, no. Unless JP comes out and says I want Harbaugh prior to hiring Brewster, the assumption that JP wants Harbaugh is just that, an assumption.

Just my 2 cents.

businesscyman · 11-17-2006, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by Jeremy

One thing a lot of people forget is that donors are ultimately the ones that decide everything. Without donors ISU can't go anywhere, so when they like a certain candidate it somewhat forces the hand of JP to some extent. Harbaugh is the guy a lot of donors have been suggesting and JP doesn't seem to give the same answers back to them with Harbaugh as he does other names. This is what I've been told anyways but I haven't personally attended those conversations;)

Come on Jeremy, donors do not decide things at the tactical level. Jaime is not out there with the donors saying tell me who you want. The "donors" some of them very big dogs, are on record as supporting JP in what he is doing, without interference.

The donors have strong influence on the overall direction (read firing a coach when it is time) but as far as selecting a new coach goes, there are three people who know what is going on and making decisions.

The donors are somewhat like those of us on this board, we all have a favorite, some agree some don't. If they had direct say, some are inevitably going to be pissed when the new coach is announced.

JCloned · 11-17-2006, 07:14 AM

Wesley what is the attraction of Brewster. He is the one candidate that I just don't get. Never been promoted by any program, always a position coach etc. What am I missing?

mt85 · 11-17-2006, 08:00 AM

Not that Kragthorpe is interested in ISU, but he has an impressive profile.

1) He's an offensive minded coach with a reputation for high powered offenses.
2) He has recruiting connections in Texas and the midwest (offensive coordinator at North Texas and head coach at Tulsa) plus he spent time at Oregon State and Boston College.
3) He has experience as a head coach plus he's coached some very successful quarterbacks
4) He's young
5) He's more likely to be a long term solution.

Harbaugh has expressed his desire to coach in the NFL, so it may be deja vu (i.e. Tim Floyd).

cyflyer · 11-17-2006, 08:54 AM

The ONLY reason people like Harbaugh if they'd admit it is because of his name. Let him keep everything he has done as a coach at a Div 1AA Non-scholly team, but take away his name and people are NOT excited about him. That's scary for people to think that way and that's what I believe. There is nothing to get excited about a Div1AA non-scholly coach. A lower Div 1A school would for sure take a chance on him, but we are not lower Div 1A, we are in a BCS conference and trying to take a step out of average.

We need a guy that can take average talent, develop it and win. I think that's what's been lacking most with the ex-staff and why a change had to be made. Mac has shown winning can happen at ISU, what he didn't show was consitency.

Taking a chance on Harbaugh because HE might have these great coaching ties is a big risk and not something I think we can afford to do. There's also a difference between having ties and convincing talented asst. coaches to come to ISU and again we are not in a position to be experimenting. We need somebody with a proven track record. Kelly and Kragthorpe have that.

herbicide · 11-17-2006, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by TheClone

What I find amusing, is how many people are convinced that one of the candidates has to be a "decoy" due to the way the basketball search transpired (Jeter).

I don't think we can infer JP's hiring strategy on a sample size of one (Wrestling doesn't count, obviously that wasn't a national search, we already had our guy).

Plus, I'm not convinced Jeter was really a "decoy". Who knows what really happened between JP and Jeter besides the two of them.

Also, in hind sight, you can spin it any way you want. If we get Brewster, was Harbaugh a decoy? Conversely, if we get Harbaugh, was Brewster a decoy? In my opinion, no. Unless JP comes out and says I want Harbaugh prior to hiring Brewster, the assumption that JP wants Harbaugh is just that, an assumption.

Just my 2 cents.

Agree. Maybe Jeter was the man, until McD called Pollard. Remember McD initiated the talks, not Pollard!

keepngoal · 11-17-2006, 09:03 AM

Goose Bumps.

-keep

ColoradoClone · 11-17-2006, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by TheClone

What I find amusing, is how many people are convinced that one of the candidates has to be a "decoy" due to the way the basketball search transpired (Jeter).

I don't think we can infer JP's hiring strategy on a sample size of one (Wrestling doesn't count, obviously that wasn't a national search, we already had our guy).

Plus, I'm not convinced Jeter was really a "decoy". Who knows what really happened between JP and Jeter besides the two of them.

Also, in hind sight, you can spin it any way you want. If we get Brewster, was Harbaugh a decoy? Conversely, if we get Harbaugh, was Brewster a decoy? In my opinion, no. Unless JP comes out and says I want Harbaugh prior to hiring Brewster, the assumption that JP wants Harbaugh is just that, an assumption.

Just my 2 cents.

My thoughts EXACTLY! Well said. You can't take anything from a sample of one.