Updated Wording: Brian Kelly – A Coach First, Salesman Second

GBC · 11-24-2006, 03:22 PM

When the first list of canidates came out for some reason he stuck out to me i do not know why. I even told my family yesterday i thought it was going to be kelly, i told them that was what my gut was telling me and it was funny when i logged on today and that his name was mentioned i was suprised but i was not totally suprised because of what my gut was telling me for the last week or two.

JokersWild · 11-24-2006, 03:28 PM

Yeah, pretty much a 'yawner' hire. This is what I was getting all excited for?

Cypwr · 11-24-2006, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by leg4cy

yes, cmu runs a spread. i think kelly's offense will work w/ our returning personnel, and i think his resume speaks for itself. i truly think this is a great hire as we are going to get a great coach with a knack for overachieving for a good price. the only question on kelly that i have is his recruiting.

So are you saying with this offense we do not need 5 quality OL, because we do not have much left in the cupboard. Hope whomever the new coach is they have ties to JC OL recruits for the next two years. I do not want to wait 4 or 5 years to win.

leg4cy · 11-24-2006, 03:37 PM

what i'm saying is that our skill guys returning should be able to flourish in his system. i also don't think the ball is in the qb's hands for very long at all in kelly's sytem so we should be able to manage with a makeshift line.

jbhtexas · 11-24-2006, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Nedrick

I, for one, think hiring an experience D1 head coach is a smart move.

What concerns me is that Kelly has 2+ years of total experience coaching in Div 1, and that coming at a "mid-major" conference school. The rest of his time has been spent at small schools. His experience at the "big time" level is very weak. In fact, I think is resume is arguably the weakest of any coach who has been seriously considered. No major conference experience, no NFL experience, etc.

I don't agree with your recruiting comparison to GMac. FB recruiting is a completely different animal than BB recruiting. Good X's and O'x can go along way in MBB, but good X's and O's don't go nearly as far in Div 1A major conference FB, where you need essentially 22 starters of a certain caliber to compete successfully.

I'm concerned that Kelly lacks the resources to recruit successfully at the Big 12 level, and I'm concerend that he doesn't have the status to attract assistant coaches who can recruit at the Big 12 level, unless ADJP is going to open up the checking account when it comes to paying assistant salaries.

Just my thoughts...

'Clones Fan · 11-24-2006, 03:47 PM

I have nothing against Kelly, I was hoping that we could look at build on the success that DMac has started here at Iowa State. Can Kelly bring in a higher caliber player than Mac? I don't think so.

I think that it will take Kelly a while to "get up and running" no recruit in the country (outside of Michigan) has heard of this guy before. Add to that a no name coach asking a kid to come to central Iowa is a stretch.

Obviously, any coach that comes here has to ask a kid to come to Ames, IA, but at least a big time coach can say, I have been there, I can get you there, ect.

letsgostate · 11-24-2006, 03:48 PM

This one DOES NOT excite me. Could be another Jim Criner for Iowa State. I'm wondering why we went through all of this with Mac etc for this hire if it does happen.

'Clones Fan · 11-24-2006, 03:51 PM

After all the big names that we have heard we go for a yawner.

1. Harbaugh
2. Pelini
3. Norvell
4. Chow
5. Paterson

We go with a guy that is an obvious step down from any of those guys.

You cant tell me that you would take Kelly over any of the above guys.

Although, if he beats the Hawks next year, I will be saying that I was for Kelly all along.

jgooder · 11-24-2006, 03:54 PM

I find it ironic that Mac is over-qualified to coach at Central Michigan yet if Kelly is hired, Kelly will replace Mac at ISU.

I thought McDermott was a yawner too who wouldn't be able to recruit... now I 'm one of his biggest fans. So until proven otherwise, I trust JP's judgement.

loboclone · 11-24-2006, 03:59 PM

JP has to get this one right. If the deal is done for Kelly, so be it, I am a Cyclone alum and Fan. Will a Kelly hire increase my check size? No, I haven't heard anything that would "Hype" me into sending ISU a Larger than average contribution nor will it speed up the "The Next Big Step" (135 mil). IMO if the top was 1.75 mil/year and a 5 year deal where is the "Big Name"? It has been said we aren't going to get Jimmie Johnson or Ditka, so what? Most didn't want those guys anyway, JP knows that this hire is crucial to his tenure at ISU. Will a Kelly hire fufill that for JP??? The selling pitch will be interesting if Kelly is it!

PS: I see that CMU crushed Buffalo today, Buffalo isn't exactly Neb., OU, or Texas.

JokersWild · 11-24-2006, 04:04 PM

Yeah, I still say Harbaugh is at least AS qualified if not more so then then Kelly. Plus, he would have brought us more national exposure/attention.

Enginerd · 11-24-2006, 04:07 PM

[quote=JokersWild;47620]Yeah, I still say Harbaugh is at least AS qualified if not more so then then Kelly.[quote]

I would love to here your reasoning. Don't leave out the part about years of coaching experience and which one coached against all either NAIA, DII, or non-scholarship schools.

'Clones Fan · 11-24-2006, 04:10 PM

My reasoning would be simple. Every football fan and player in the country knows the name Harbaugh. A fraction of a percent knows the name Kelly.

If you are a top HS football player and Jim Harbaugh asks you to come play for him and something called Brian Kelly asks you to play for him, you choose Harbaugh everytime.

HGPuck · 11-24-2006, 04:12 PM

I still am not sold that Kelly is the man that has gotten the job. All signs for me point to the fact that someone is a shoe-in and it may be Kelly but Im not so sure yet. All I have seen to indicate him is the article from the MSU site and what has been written by Jeremy. The MSU site article didn't make a whole lot of sense and it appears any speculation from people on the ISU side is hit and miss at best. I would be willing to bet that we know who it will be this weekend sometime.

CloneFan65 · 11-24-2006, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Recruiting was the big hang-up that many had with G-Mac and he's done quite well so far.

I have no idea of Kelly would have the same success, but we can at least give him a chance.

There's a big difference between recruiting for ISU basketball and ISU football. Ever since Johnny Orr came, ISU has been a basketball school. Not to diminish what McDermott has done (I've gone on record on here saying he's done a good job recruiting.), but I think it's easier for a basketball coach to come in and recruit a kid to play in front of the "Hilton Magic" than it is to convince kids to play at Jack Trice for a team with little tradition. I'm impressed with Kelly's resume, and I'm sure he's a great coach, but it would be a lot easier for a "big name" coach to recruit. I'm not displeased with hire; JP knows a little more about these things than I, but I must admit I'm a little concerned about his ability to recruit at ISU.