Updated Wording: Brian Kelly – A Coach First, Salesman Second

ISUFan22 · 11-25-2006, 01:32 PM

I think MSU and CMU have suddenly thrown a wrench in our plans here with Kelly. As we know, one minute it's headed in one direction then suddenly it heads in another.

I won't be surprised at all if Kelly doesn't end up here. And it was a near shoe-in just a couple days ago - but things outside the control of ISU seem to have changed the scope for Kelly.

StLouisClone · 11-25-2006, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

I think MSU and CMU have suddenly thrown a wrench in our plans here with Kelly. As we know, one minute it's headed in one direction then suddenly it heads in another.

I won't be surprised at all if Kelly doesn't end up here. And it was a near shoe-in just a couple days ago - but things outside the control of ISU seem to have changed the scope for Kelly.

I don't understand why JP would tell Harbaugh and Norvell thanks but no thanks unless he already had someone else signed up. Maybe Kelly isn't the guy after all?

My choice all along was Harbaugh so I'm a little disappointed with the way things have gone. I just told a friend of mine in STL that ISU interviewed and turned down Harbaugh. He couldn't believe it. Harbaugh would have brought national name recognition to ISU.... something our head football coach has never really had.

CloneFan65 · 11-25-2006, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by StLouisClone

I don't understand why JP would tell Harbaugh and Norvell thanks but no thanks unless he already had someone else signed up.

Maybe JP decided these weren't the right candidates for ISU whether or not he had coach signed or not. He may be looking for a candidate with more coaching experience than Harbaugh.

darts180 · 11-25-2006, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by tec71

No steps backward are allowed in my book. Want my money or the people I work for (who actually have significant amounts to give) we think he needs to win now, and win a lot. If Mac would have come back under a win (8-3,9-2) or else type of situation then that's good enough for me with this guy too. Win or stop putting your hand out for more money, and go back to cheesehead land.

WOW great post (sic)

By your logic, the previous coach should have been fired 6 times in his 12 years at Iowa State: 95, 96, 01, 02, 03, and he finally got the boot this year.

I think the part that is the saddest to me about this post is that you would have given the previous regime another 5 years to be as bad as we were this year, and many others, but you won't even give the new guy a chance.

Heck it took me 9 years before I had officially had it with Danny Mac, and i gave him yet another chance this year. Fact is he may have been "great" for the university, but after watching the horrible product that he put on the field this past year (and many others), he was bad for the football program. I could not hold my tongue (or in this case fingers) any longer when I read posts like this.

We did not lose Lombardi people we lost a guy that was 29 games under .500. And if the next coach shows that he can't do the job, then he will need to be shown the door also. But he gets minimum 5 years to prove that is the case.

darts180 · 11-25-2006, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by guitarchitect7

Please explain why. I am interested to hear your thoughts.

For the same reason that we are "all" interested in hearing yours. IT'S A FANSITE. That was a VERY rude post for a moderator to make, I hope that this isn't a sign of things to come from you.

darts180 · 11-25-2006, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by ketelmeister

You've got to be kidding me...how do we get excited about Brian Kelly? If you put his credentials next to McCarney, most would take McCarney. I wanted Harbaugh to bring national attention and respect to the program. Norm Chow would be a great choice, Bo also, but Kelly? Central Michigan to ISU is not my idea of a big name. Let's tell it like it is here. I extreemly disappointed if this is our choice.

No most people would not take Dan McCarney if you compared resumes. Dan McCarney fans looking for any reason to bash the new hire would choose Dan McCarney.

Kelly has won two national championships, I don't care what level that is an acheivement especially when you consider the playoff system in place. He has turned around a horrible program in three years, and is a candidate for a Big 10 job. So that must mean that Michigan State would take Kelly.

darts180 · 11-25-2006, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by letsgostate

What happens if kelly is 2-10 next year or even 4-8? Will you call it a good hire then? The Harbaugh thing is not silly...

The problem with that logic, in my opinion, is that we were destined to go 2-10 with McCarney as coach as well.

I have gone on record stating the poor shape that this program is in. It will be a 4-5 year process for ANY coach who comes in here. The recruiting has really dried up the past 2-3 years, and other than a handful of skill position players and linebackers, it's pretty thin folks. We are not that far from late 90's level talent folks.

cyingreen · 11-26-2006, 07:29 AM

While he’s not extremely vocal or flashy, he gets the job done time and time again with what a lot have considered to be lesser talent and opportunities.

Does this description of Coach Kelly remind anyone else of another coach from the East Coast that ended up in Ames? Earle Bruce. Not flashy, but a great coach who had great rapport with his players and the students. I liked Coach McCarney as a man and motivator, but his coaching ability left a lot to be desired. Let's give the new coaching staff a chance before we start reminding everyone that Coach Mac was ISU's winningest coach. He was also the losingest, and many of those were of the ugly variety.

cydsho · 11-26-2006, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by darts180

No most people would not take Dan McCarney if you compared resumes. Dan McCarney fans looking for any reason to bash the new hire would choose Dan McCarney.

Kelly has won two national championships, I don't care what level that is an acheivement especially when you consider the playoff system in place. He has turned around a horrible program in three years, and is a candidate for a Big 10 job. So that must mean that Michigan State would take Kelly.

That is a great point about winning two straight natl champs at any level in a playoff system. You could go even further because I think Kelly's team was a runner up the year they won the first champ. So 3 years in a row they were in the title game. How many coaches at any level can say that?

Wesley · 11-26-2006, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by JHutch

i think kelly and ISU will be a good combo

Not convinced. Why would he stay at Grand Valley state with a record like that? 13 years. Then he gradually improved at CMU over weak sisters (like Big 12 North doldrums). I am not sure he can bring in the talent. He is not a household name on Texas/Oklahoma/Flordia.California list. Does he have any well known recruiting assistants on the rise? Grand Valley State is low on the football scene. Can Harbaughg work for him? He must be a salesman if he sold ISU/MSU at same time. Probably Mark Farley is as well known. No flare hire.

Stormin · 11-26-2006, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by darts180

The problem with that logic, in my opinion, is that we were destined to go 2-10 with McCarney as coach as well.

I have gone on record stating the poor shape that this program is in. It will be a 4-5 year process for ANY coach who comes in here. The recruiting has really dried up the past 2-3 years, and other than a handful of skill position players and linebackers, it's pretty thin folks. We are not that far from late 90's level talent folks.

I don't think our talent level is quite as thin as you make it out to be. A new coach can do absolute wonders. I think that we have average talent. Meyer is a more than adequate talent. Blythe and receivers are very good. Our line has underperformed but that can have more to do with scheme and system than anything.

On defense, our linebackers are pretty good. Rest of team is very average. But our defensive scheme of the ten yard cushion is ridiculous.

I've seen coaches take very average talent and mold them into winners......I've also seen coaches take exceptional talent and erode them into losers.

Wesley · 11-26-2006, 10:30 AM

CMU:

Date
OpponentTime/ResultAudio/Video
Sat, Sep 2Marist W 34-6--
Sat,Sep 9at Georgia Southern W 17-13--
Fri, Sep 15at Southern Connecticut State W 29-26--
Sat, Sep 23at AlbanyL 14-19--
Sat, Sep 30at St. Peter's W 73-13--
Sat, Oct 7St. Francis (PA) W 62-21--
Sat, Oct 14at Robert Morris L 17-23--
Sat, Oct 21 Wagner W 27-6--
Sat, Oct 28at Monmouth L 13-19--
Sat, Nov 4at Sacred Heart W 42-14--
Sat, Nov 11 Stony Brook W 35-32--

The 13-19 loss to Monmouth bothered me bacause Grand Valley would have beat them this year.

Wesley · 11-26-2006, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

I think MSU and CMU have suddenly thrown a wrench in our plans here with Kelly. As we know, one minute it's headed in one direction then suddenly it heads in another.

I won't be surprised at all if Kelly doesn't end up here. And it was a near shoe-in just a couple days ago - but things outside the control of ISU seem to have changed the scope for Kelly.

I know, we can pay him $1.75M to keep him for 5 years. Butch Davis to North Carolina and Barry Alvarez to Miami. Brian Kelly to MSU and/or ISU. Ha-ha. He is just playing the old Houston McNutt money trick on us for MSU. They will pay hoimm $2.0M and we will be looking. Mark Farley may be available at $1.75M. Harbaugh might still come also.