Update on Men's Basketball

Jeremy · 06-09-2006, 03:41 PM

The reason a PG is so high on the list is to try and get somebody in that can redshirt a year and learn the system and gain some strength if necessary before being tossed to the wolves. A PG and SG don't necessarily have to be too different from eachother, often times they can be interchangeable nowadays.

Jeremy · 06-09-2006, 03:44 PM

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mjones34 · 06-09-2006, 04:16 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jeremy @ Jun 9 2006, 01:44 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> Because you have been a very bad boy:) Just kidding, everybody will see their own warn bar but nobody else's. It will be a way that moderators can warn an individual if they are completely derogatory, or whatever. After a person is warned so many times, they can be automatically banned for x number of days or whatever the punishment ends up being. I don't forsee it being a feature often used on this site since everybody is very good about staying on topic.

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I guess we'll have to trust our cheif in commander on the status of stinett

isucy86 · 06-09-2006, 04:33 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hfthomp @ Jun 9 2006, 02:28 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> What I don't get is why we need a PG more than a SG in 07? McIntosh will be a junior next year and Doodie will be a freshman. So, in 07, we will still have both of them. At SG, all we really have is Taylor, right? Wouldn't SG be more of a need area for some depth? [/b][/quote]

PG is a Huge Need for the following reasons:

McIntosh looks like the only true PG on our roster. Sure Dunson & Taylor might be able to fill in at PG, but I'm not sure either is a guy we would want playing 30 mpg if McIntosh gets hurt.
McIntosh hasn't played a minute of hoops at ISU. IMO it's pretty risky to have no alternatives at probably the most important position on the court.
Since PG is the on-floor coach, it's risky to rely on a true freshman to start at PG. Typically, one thing freshman lack is consistency. At some positions that is OK, PG is not one of them. Recruit a kid for the 07 class and have him learn and back-up McIntosh as a frosh. Once McIntosh is gone, then he can be a high quality starter.

Good coaches look 2-3 years ahead for recruiting needs. Even with all the chaos in ISU hoops this spring it sounds like G-Mac has that focus.

SafetyClone · 06-09-2006, 06:56 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jeremy @ Jun 9 2006, 02:41 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> The reason a PG is so high on the list is to try and get somebody in that can redshirt a year and learn the system and gain some strength if necessary before being tossed to the wolves. A PG and SG don't necessarily have to be too different from eachother, often times they can be interchangeable nowadays. [/b][/quote]

Dunson was a decent late pickup but he is not a premier level PG. I think staff knows they need to recruit over him.

BryceC · 06-09-2006, 07:44 PM

Since the Brackins commitment you won't hear me question McDermott when it comes to recruiting or anything like that. But it does seem odd that if Stinnett does want to come, we wouldn't offer him. He is a four star, top 100 recruit after all. Also, he'll have a year playing with Brackins at Brewster so they will have a good relationship already and will have spent some time playing together getting ready for next year. Heck that almost seems like a redshirt to me.

As I said, I trust him because I didn't see the Brackins thing coming at all, but I just think that perhaps the "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" saying could be applicable. If they pass on Stinnett, I hope everything else works out exactly as they have in mind.

A little PS to this as well... man, that Thompson scholarship looks like a real piece of crap right now doesn't it? I mean I was one of those guys that was behind the move...but now that we could be losing some scholarships I don't feel good about it at all.

Jeremy · 06-09-2006, 09:58 PM

I question the AT scholarship but I understand where the coaching staff is looking. At the time they offered the scholarship, we were in need of some sort of energy towards the program and that was a good faith gesture to a home-grown kid that has some potential, regardless of how he played at Iowa.

Also, I personally think he is a player that can be incredibly useful in practice to give us a quality sized player to match up against. I think under GMac that a year off will make him gain around 20-30 lbs and he could really provide some quality minutes off the bench. I doubt he will be a starter, at least his Junior year, but he should provide enough to warrant the scholarship in the end. Again, this is just my personal feeling.

BryceC · 06-09-2006, 10:28 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jeremy @ Jun 9 2006, 08:58 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> I question the AT scholarship but I understand where the coaching staff is looking. At the time they offered the scholarship, we were in need of some sort of energy towards the program and that was a good faith gesture to a home-grown kid that has some potential, regardless of how he played at Iowa.

Also, I personally think he is a player that can be incredibly useful in practice to give us a quality sized player to match up against. I think under GMac that a year off will make him gain around 20-30 lbs and he could really provide some quality minutes off the bench. I doubt he will be a starter, at least his Junior year, but he should provide enough to warrant the scholarship in the end. Again, this is just my personal feeling. [/b][/quote]

I agree, though I doubt he'll ever be a starter. Marsden I bet will be pretty entrenched in the program and I think Brackins will get the nod as far as playing time based upon his athletic ability. Plus, I would be amazed if Thompson's frame will be easy to throw 20-30 pounds on. He's a pretty slender dude.

I do think it's a good idea, because he's from Ames and that could bring in several people from the community to watch games with him and Ross out there that maybe wouldn't have gone to a Cyclone game.

clone33 · 06-09-2006, 11:08 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BryceC @ Jun 9 2006, 06:44 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> Since the Brackins commitment you won't hear me question McDermott when it comes to recruiting or anything like that. But it does seem odd that if Stinnett does want to come, we wouldn't offer him. He is a four star, top 100 recruit after all. Also, he'll have a year playing with Brackins at Brewster so they will have a good relationship already and will have spent some time playing together getting ready for next year. Heck that almost seems like a redshirt to me.

As I said, I trust him because I didn't see the Brackins thing coming at all, but I just think that perhaps the "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" saying could be applicable. If they pass on Stinnett, I hope everything else works out exactly as they have in mind.[/b][/quote]

I really think that if he wants to come we should give him the schollie as long as we have one to give. I mean we were a 16-14 team last year that didnt make the NIT, who are we to turn down schollies to a top 100, 4-star player as longa as hes eligible. That may give us a bad name and scare off potential recruits for the future. If he wants to come just take him. And like bryce pointed out, think about it, two top 100 players that have experience playing with each other prior to both of their freshman years. Thats pretty cool, especially if they have a season or two to be mentored by the coaches and the other more experienced players. That is a formula for success the way im lookin at it.

HandSanitizer · 06-09-2006, 11:09 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SafetyClone @ Jun 9 2006, 05:56 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>

Dunson was a decent late pickup but he is not a premier level PG. I think staff knows they need to recruit over him.

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We need to get to the point in our program that our backup point guard learns from the veteran. I don't like our chances of a freshman point guard in the big12. Just like I don't like Brackins being a force his freshman year. when they are the starters their freshman year they get thrown under the bus a lot unless they are really special. IMO

URBCLONE · 06-10-2006, 11:52 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BryceC @ Jun 9 2006, 06:44 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> Since the Brackins commitment you won't hear me question McDermott when it comes to recruiting or anything like that. But it does seem odd that if Stinnett does want to come, we wouldn't offer him. He is a four star, top 100 recruit after all. Also, he'll have a year playing with Brackins at Brewster so they will have a good relationship already and will have spent some time playing together getting ready for next year. Heck that almost seems like a redshirt to me.

As I said, I trust him because I didn't see the Brackins thing coming at all, but I just think that perhaps the "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" saying could be applicable. If they pass on Stinnett, I hope everything else works out exactly as they have in mind.

A little PS to this as well... man, that Thompson scholarship looks like a real piece of crap right now doesn't it? I mean I was one of those guys that was behind the move...but now that we could be losing some scholarships I don't feel good about it at all.
[/b][/quote] Good stuff again, Bryce. Couldn't agree more with you on the AT scholarship. I agree as well that Stinnett would be a good addition to the program.