Snap Back To Reality – ISU Fans A Little Hypocritical This Time Around

BigBake · 12-04-2006, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley

I am not concerned about football. I have more concerns aboiut losing to Drake in Hilton - 1978 was the last time. 1978. Reminds of Callahaqn going 5-6. I just expected a little more like a win.

I guess the question then would be "why did you expect a win?"

CY ST8T · 12-04-2006, 10:01 PM

People are seriously thinking like this? You have to be talking to some idiot unintelligent fans if you are hearing that. I have been around a ton of fans and donors and have not heard what critical word of GMAC or anything about 9 or 10 wins for next year. I would love to smoke whatever they are!!! There is definitely a large adjustment with this group coming in and learning GMAC's style. Even under LE, most of his teams took a LONG time before they finally came together in the year under the system doing what they needed. My only disappointment with the Drake game was in the effort on defense and the reaction to a zone. It is very frustrating to see big men like Jiri, Rashon and Jessan shooting and hanging on the three point line while the defense is in a zone which puts them in position for the rebound and leaves us with big guys who can't rebound without going over the back. It's about time GMAC puts his foot in a couple big men's rears if they can't start acting like a Big man.

BigBake · 12-04-2006, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Jeremy

And I do realize it's the minority that is complaining but it's just not really fair when you consider how bright the future looks.

As I stated in another post I guess I didn't see that much pessimism outta even a minority.

I did see the one guy say something about "call me crazy but I see us winning 9 games next season" but you know he's a fan and entitled to be a little crazy. I just chalked it up to being a little overstimulated by a sweet fball coach hire.

frontrangeclone · 12-04-2006, 10:28 PM

Excellent post Jeremy. I can't believe people are already pessimistic about GMac and staff. My god have these naysayers looked at what was left in the cupboard when he arrived? kinda like my cupoboard typically, a can of fruit cocktail and some stale taco shells. That wasn't a dis on the returning players, Rashon is a great talent, but it wasn't like GMac is working with some mcdoland's all-americans. ISU has no true "banger" down low or inside presence. Three bean poles in Gray, Jiri and Marsden, plus some guards who like to chuck it up whenever somewhat open.

who knows.... Drake may turn out to have a good season....

CYTIME · 12-04-2006, 10:44 PM

Good post Jeremy.

Wesley · 12-04-2006, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by BigBake

I guess the question then would be "why did you expect a win?"

In Hilton with fan support I expected better defense. I did not see Greg McDermott defensive effort,. the assists were not there. The steal were way in favor of Drake. The refs were fair. It was plain just a bad outing on our part. We actrually shot 40% from 3 point range and still lost. If I am to acceptythis as what to expect, I expect Nebraska to sweep us. That is my point. We need 15-16 wins and we are on track for 12 at this rate with this level of play. The floorplay has been far from stellar. We look disorganized in our offensive sets. the alley hoops look high schoolish. The out of bounds plays are too obvious. We have a much further way to go just to even get back to last year. Yes, I am going out on a limb because I feel like we just played the UNI football game. Now is the time to get a quality effort or the season could go down the tubes. I am sure that McD can eventually pull it off, but the crew this year is far from a team. A strong mike traylor performasnnce at times has disguised the real team. A Dodie great effort made it close. if Doddie had not fired away, we would have lost by 10. I am sure this all can be shot down, but I really thought we would beat Drake. Of couerse, you need a take charge person like Dotzler who can do that.

Wesley · 12-04-2006, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by CY ST8T

People are seriously thinking like this? You have to be talking to some idiot unintelligent fans if you are hearing that. I have been around a ton of fans and donors and have not heard what critical word of GMAC or anything about 9 or 10 wins for next year. I would love to smoke whatever they are!!! There is definitely a large adjustment with this group coming in and learning GMAC's style. Even under LE, most of his teams took a LONG time before they finally came together in the year under the system doing what they needed. My only disappointment with the Drake game was in the effort on defense and the reaction to a zone. It is very frustrating to see big men like Jiri, Rashon and Jessan shooting and hanging on the three point line while the defense is in a zone which puts them in position for the rebound and leaves us with big guys who can't rebound without going over the back. It's about time GMAC puts his foot in a couple big men's rears if they can't start acting like a Big man.

Remember this is only an opinion. That is what this board is about.
The pre season is probably going to be 7-8 wins and the Big 12 will be wins over KState (2), Colorado (2), and 2 others in Hilton and maybe one in tournament at level of current play. Can we turn it up a notch? Only if we are more organized. I no longer expect the 3 bigs to be contributors. They are too lightweight and not aggressive enough. That means the guards will make or break us like last year. We lost Will and Curtis and now have Mike and Dodie and Cory McIntosh and others. Looks like 14-15 wins and no NIT unless we poull some rabbits out of the hat. It will be next year before we have our act together. I just thought it might have been sooner with all the recruiting excitement. Number of wins would make a great poll at this point. This is no criticism of McD. He has his hands full. He just needed a big man recruit, but he was unable to obtain apparently as he okayed Alex thompson in the end. GeneC needs to recruit a quality running back this winter. It still is about whom you can recruit. No criticism, just what I see on the court.Long ways to go top be competitive in Big 12 and MVC.

Cyclonepride · 12-04-2006, 11:49 PM

I heard a guy on KXNO this morning talking about how GMAC has been outcoached in the last two games. Honestly, I cannot begin to understand the train of thought that leads to the kinds of things I have been hearing. I have broken it down into three possible categories.

#1- Part time fan, just browses the headlines and hears what's on the news at 10. Has absolutely no idea what is going on with the team.

#2- Just can't be happy fan. One loss is too many. Their happiness is so wrapped up in the results of a game that they can't be happy if the team loses.

#3- The fairy tale ending fan. They believe the same thing they did as a kid, that somehow Iowa State is going to be the next UCLA, and anything less is failure.

anklone · 12-05-2006, 12:08 AM

C'mon Wesley, the type of play you talked about in the Drake game is the way a young, inexperienced team learning a new coach & new system is going to play sometimes. John Wooden on the sidelines wouldn't have mattered. They are not going to play well at times. Give GMAC & the team some time. I will guarantee they will be a better team in Jan & Feb. McD has a pretty good track record don't ya think, and he doesn't do it overnight. Nobody wanted to lose to Drake, least of all the coach & players. RELAX!!!

safmusic · 12-05-2006, 12:11 AM

Think we had a chance with Morgan as our coach? Think about the talent or lack of we would have on the floor? His guys and about same talent level and maybe a couple wins, even 3 or 4. Think you would be complaining with that senerio---of course you would. We were never going to be close to UNI or Drake with Wayne, at least we were close and could have won. These guys need to learn to win together. I think getting closer. We have a heck of a coach with McD.

j4state · 12-05-2006, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

I heard a guy on KXNO this morning talking about how GMAC has been outcoached in the last two games. Honestly, I cannot begin to understand the train of thought that leads to the kinds of things I have been hearing. I have broken it down into three possible categories.

#1- Part time fan, just browses the headlines and hears what's on the news at 10. Has absolutely no idea what is going on with the team.

#2- Just can't be happy fan. One loss is too many. Their happiness is so wrapped up in the results of a game that they can't be happy if the team loses.

#3- The fairy tale ending fan. They believe the same thing they did as a kid, that somehow Iowa State is going to be the next UCLA, and anything less is failure.

Don't rip my head off guys, but I was at the UNI game and I definitely thought we were outcoached that night. Drake I'm not so sure about but I agree with the UNI statement. I felt that UNI had an absolutely solid defensive and offensive gameplan while we had a pretty good defensive game plan and forgot about offense.

I don't fall under any of your three categories either btw. My expectations this year were to miss the NIT by a game or two. Love GMAC and think he is head and shoulders a better coach than Jacobsen, but that night we were outcoached IMO. It happens!

cyputz · 12-05-2006, 12:19 AM

Sometimes the frustrating point in the fan base, is a minority of fans pick up on a comment and fly with it. At least try to be knowledgeable about the post and be able to support your own viewpoints.

Cyclonefanatic has been a truely great use of discussion, well monitored and typically open. The growth in the cylone nation will only promote a more active use in cyclonefanatic. Not everything will be positive. But, it should at least be constructive.

Rogue52 · 12-05-2006, 12:59 AM

I agree with most posters here but I'm not liking the direction of the comments. I loved both the basketball and football hires, but let's not put on the blinders. We can still critize coaching. Are we now going to give blind faith to Pollard's hires as we have given to him?

I agree that the attacks of GMac have been uncalled for, but that's what losing to Drake does. Also, I think the football fans saying we will win 9 games next year are just excited. It's a credit to Chizik. Hell, I have a countdown on my desktop to the first football game of the year next year.

darts180 · 12-05-2006, 01:58 AM

Losing to Drake will not be on GMac's list of highlights, however, these are the kinds of things that happen when you start from basically scratch.

The UNI game, as much as the people on this site would not admit was pretty obvious. Experience within a system, as well as a little home cooking can make all the difference. This is not Tim Floyd replacing Johnny Orr, this is the top assistant replacing the head coach.

I too find it ironic, to say the least, that the people who were so fervent in their support of a coach that had more chances than any coach in the history of NCAA football are the ones who have the nerve to criticize another coach.

el tornado · 12-05-2006, 04:36 AM

McDermott and Chizik give me the impression that Iowa State can play with anybody and will get a lot of wins over quality opponents. I also believe that they will be successful faster than most think.

As to a lot of fans complaining about McDermott and our losses, that's natural... but I haven't heard anyone saying negative things, in fact everyone is optimistic for the rest of the season!

Bring on the Hawks!