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Old 12-05-2006, 07:08 AM   #31
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Re: Snap Back To Reality – ISU Fans A Little Hypocritical This Time Around

I'm relatively new to this board...has there really been quite a few predicting 9 or 10 wins in fb next year?!?!? If so, they're definitely smoking something. I'll be thrilled if we hover around the 500 mark. I don't know if I've ever been as excited as I am right now about the future of ISU football. And you're right...patience is the word right now.

Nice board by the way. Definitely like this one a lot better than the one I came from.
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Old 12-05-2006, 08:43 AM   #32
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Snap Back To Reality – ISU Fans A Little Hypocritical This Time Around
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I’ve noticed a huge increase in the amount and type of criticism the Cyclone faithful are leveling against the new Men’s Basketball team and coaching staff, as well as the lofty expectations for the football program next season. Here are a few comments to try and get people back to earth a little bit.

For starters, the first thing that people started saying after McDermott was hired was that we need to give him a chance, let him have his time to recruit his players and install his style of play. Well, we’re eight full games into his first season and people are already saying how he was a bad hire and a waste of money. Excuse me, a few of the so-called “die-hards” need to look in the mirror and reread some of their previous posts about mediocrity in ISU Athletics.

Why would anybody expect a new coaching staff to have any huge amount of success when they have a group of players that for some reason or another weren’t being recruited by other programs? It’s not like McDermott walked into Hilton with a locker room full of studs that have averaged twenty-five points a game. He took over a team with very little experience and had to bring in new guys that knew nothing about ISU or the Big XII. Guys that for some reason or another weren’t being given a chance any place else.

Greg McDermott has one of the greatest basketball minds in the country, his peers have said as much. He’s proven he can win with players that are below the level of success they achieve. And most importantly, he has proven it with the first of the two teams that beat us this season. How can anybody say UNI shouldn’t have beaten us when the team is made up of GMAC’s players running his style of play? I sure as heck wouldn’t have expected a W but I agree it would have been nice. His experienced players that have gone to the Big Dance three straight years beat his inexperienced group of kids, what am I missing with this?

Most of those criticizing the MBB staff and team after eight games are the same ones that wanted to give Dan McCarney another pass after twelve years of let-downs and blown leads. So it’s alright to give somebody more chances after they had the worst recruiting class of almost all BCS schools the past three years and couldn’t win with his guys and his experienced players but it’s not alright to give one of the hottest young coaches in the country time to even get his first recruiting class on campus (which by the way will be one of the top recruiting classes in the country, as well as the following year)? That is the definition of hypocrisy in my opinion.

I know McCarney was loved as a person and mentor but why was he given such a long string when McDermott can’t even get past the first year using left-over’s? Recruiting takes time, McCarney had the worst class in the Big XII the past three years and people still wanted to give him time for improvement. McDermott on the other hand already has some of the best players in the country for the next few years after jumping into the recruiting process really late in the game. Again, am I missing something with all of this?

The second problem I have with all of this revolves around those that think ISU will magically be a nine or ten win team in football next year. As I said, McCarney has the worst group of recruits in the Big XII coming in next year and Chizik is supposed to win the Big XII with that? We have no offensive lineman of any caliber for next season, a young defense and a new coaching staff but we’re supposed to have more success next year with a tougher schedule than we had this year with more talent and a somewhat easier schedule?

Even if Chizik and his staff bring in the best of the best of the JUCO ranks, he still has to start from scratch. Not only will we have a thrown-together cast of players next season, we have to get them all playing the same kind of football. Even our returning stars have to learn something new and find a new way of interacting with each other. Am I missing something again with all of this?

Success takes time, not just a new coach and style of play. ISU will have some extreme ups and down for the next few seasons but with two of the hottest and most fundamentally sound coaches in the country, the future is bright. The light at the end of the tunnel may be bright, but it takes a while to get to be able to reach it. Calm down, enjoy the improvement and be patient. It takes time, dedication and support. Support from all of us, not just some.

So I guess the point of this post is just to remind people that a new coach can’t walk in the door and raise his hands and have everything be cured. It takes time, dedication and support. It’s alright to hate losing; God knows we’ve had enough of it over the years. But the important thing to remember is that things don’t change overnight in anything, let alone organized sports. It’s a business and a new CEO can’t just come in and change the products or services overnight. It takes a new assembly line, a new staff and a new marketing team. Given the right amount of time, it could end up being a Fortune 500 company.

Excellent post hits the nail on the head. This is Bill Callahan's third year at Nebraska and its just now starting to come together but still areas that need to be improved. Until a new coach gets the current players playing his kind of ball and gets several recruiting classes under his belt it takes time. The teams you see do a quick turn around are usually teams that the coach leaving was a decent recruiter and not a great coach. Remember Iowa U basketball where George Ravelling was a great recruiter but less than desirable coach. Tom Davis took Ravellings talent and went to the final 16. But normally its a case that the cupboard is pretty bare. Hayden Fry was a great coach and had some great teams but at the end things were slipping and Kurt did not inherit alot thus the couple years it took for him to right the ship.
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Old 12-05-2006, 08:58 AM   #33
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Re: Snap Back To Reality – ISU Fans A Little Hypocritical This Time Around

I agree that we need to give new coaches some time. However, if we have great coaches, we should see dramatic improvement in years 2 and 3 of their tenure. Don't get conned into thinking that it takes 4 or 5 years to turn things around in a big way.

I cheer for two teams, Iowa State and whoever is playing the hawkeyes.
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:00 AM   #34
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I'll join with others in supporting the primary theme of the initial post (cue GNR - "Patience"), but I haven't been witness to anybody posting significant criticism of Greg McDermott. I'd have had higher expectations for the season if Wayne's kids hadn't defected in mass; sure wish they'd have stuck around to play for an x's and o's coach. No idea where Stinson's at; Blaylock's in NBA-D (shoulda stayed at ISU) and others are sitting out a year at St. Joes, Memphis & NC State.

The basketball team's right about where I expected them to be. I'm not a big fan of Michael Taylor yet, but Wesley Johnson looks very promising. Here's hoping they have a great week of practice and lay waste to the hawk scum (I'll be there cheering for them)!

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Old 12-05-2006, 09:08 AM   #35
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I'm disappointed we lost both of those games because I think we have good enough players to be undefeated at this point. That being said, it is a credit to the coaching staff that we have some of the guys we do.
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:22 AM   #36
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Gmac will be the best coach ISU has ever had!Do you people remember TF &LE first years same thing.Fizer did not even play alot under LE till he played his way.the point is it will take some time just sit back and watch the players and team get better with a great coach.
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:25 AM   #37
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Good post and discussion. We all need to do our part over the next two years and help JP raise the level of financial support to help these all the coaches.
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Old 12-05-2006, 03:22 PM   #38
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Don't rip my head off guys, but I was at the UNI game and I definitely thought we were outcoached that night. Drake I'm not so sure about but I agree with the UNI statement. I felt that UNI had an absolutely solid defensive and offensive gameplan while we had a pretty good defensive game plan and forgot about offense.

I don't fall under any of your three categories either btw. My expectations this year were to miss the NIT by a game or two. Love GMAC and think he is head and shoulders a better coach than Jacobsen, but that night we were outcoached IMO. It happens!
I'm not going to rip you......it's just a difference of opinion. From my perspective, it is really hard to look at a team that has only 4 returning players, and that started out very late on recruiting, and not give them a little pass. I'm not expert enough to tell whether it is gameplan, or execution. I felt going in that UNI had much better continuity in their program, and returning players from last year, and I believe their coach was able to plan the game accordingly. GMAC has probably not been able to get real complex with the team yet.

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Old 12-05-2006, 04:49 PM   #39
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Yeah Jeremy....RE..AL..ITY Bites sometimes. And this is one of them boys.

The old boy who said that reality bites like a Pit Bull, certainly had a point.


Relax people this is the START of the journey NOT the FINISH of the journey!
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