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Old 12-04-2006, 05:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Snap Back To Reality – ISU Fans A Little Hypocritical This Time Around
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Personal Observation & Response...

I’ve noticed a huge increase in the amount and type of criticism the Cyclone faithful are leveling against the new Men’s Basketball team and coaching staff, as well as the lofty expectations for the football program next season. Here are a few comments to try and get people back to earth a little bit.

For starters, the first thing that people started saying after McDermott was hired was that we need to give him a chance, let him have his time to recruit his players and install his style of play. Well, we’re eight full games into his first season and people are already saying how he was a bad hire and a waste of money. Excuse me, a few of the so-called “die-hards” need to look in the mirror and reread some of their previous posts about mediocrity in ISU Athletics.

Why would anybody expect a new coaching staff to have any huge amount of success when they have a group of players that for some reason or another weren’t being recruited by other programs? It’s not like McDermott walked into Hilton with a locker room full of studs that have averaged twenty-five points a game. He took over a team with very little experience and had to bring in new guys that knew nothing about ISU or the Big XII. Guys that for some reason or another weren’t being given a chance any place else.

Greg McDermott has one of the greatest basketball minds in the country, his peers have said as much. He’s proven he can win with players that are below the level of success they achieve. And most importantly, he has proven it with the first of the two teams that beat us this season. How can anybody say UNI shouldn’t have beaten us when the team is made up of GMAC’s players running his style of play? I sure as heck wouldn’t have expected a W but I agree it would have been nice. His experienced players that have gone to the Big Dance three straight years beat his inexperienced group of kids, what am I missing with this?

Most of those criticizing the MBB staff and team after eight games are the same ones that wanted to give Dan McCarney another pass after twelve years of let-downs and blown leads. So it’s alright to give somebody more chances after they had the worst recruiting class of almost all BCS schools the past three years and couldn’t win with his guys and his experienced players but it’s not alright to give one of the hottest young coaches in the country time to even get his first recruiting class on campus (which by the way will be one of the top recruiting classes in the country, as well as the following year)? That is the definition of hypocrisy in my opinion.

I know McCarney was loved as a person and mentor but why was he given such a long string when McDermott can’t even get past the first year using left-over’s? Recruiting takes time, McCarney had the worst class in the Big XII the past three years and people still wanted to give him time for improvement. McDermott on the other hand already has some of the best players in the country for the next few years after jumping into the recruiting process really late in the game. Again, am I missing something with all of this?

The second problem I have with all of this revolves around those that think ISU will magically be a nine or ten win team in football next year. As I said, McCarney has the worst group of recruits in the Big XII coming in next year and Chizik is supposed to win the Big XII with that? We have no offensive lineman of any caliber for next season, a young defense and a new coaching staff but we’re supposed to have more success next year with a tougher schedule than we had this year with more talent and a somewhat easier schedule?

Even if Chizik and his staff bring in the best of the best of the JUCO ranks, he still has to start from scratch. Not only will we have a thrown-together cast of players next season, we have to get them all playing the same kind of football. Even our returning stars have to learn something new and find a new way of interacting with each other. Am I missing something again with all of this?

Success takes time, not just a new coach and style of play. ISU will have some extreme ups and down for the next few seasons but with two of the hottest and most fundamentally sound coaches in the country, the future is bright. The light at the end of the tunnel may be bright, but it takes a while to get to be able to reach it. Calm down, enjoy the improvement and be patient. It takes time, dedication and support. Support from all of us, not just some.

So I guess the point of this post is just to remind people that a new coach can’t walk in the door and raise his hands and have everything be cured. It takes time, dedication and support. It’s alright to hate losing; God knows we’ve had enough of it over the years. But the important thing to remember is that things don’t change overnight in anything, let alone organized sports. It’s a business and a new CEO can’t just come in and change the products or services overnight. It takes a new assembly line, a new staff and a new marketing team. Given the right amount of time, it could end up being a Fortune 500 company.

A program isn't built on one player and it doesn't succeed because of one player, thus a program won't fail if it doesn't get that one player.


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Old 12-04-2006, 05:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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THANK YOU for the post. Honestly, what is wrong with some of you people? Everyone one of us who is clear thinking knows that this year will be a struggle for the men's basketball team. Let's let things develop under GMac a little. Good grief people. I also cringe when I hear the high expectations for football next year. A little reality and patience will earn us big rewards. Lay off the early criticism and enjoy what we have. If we lose to Drake in three years then fine, complain all you want.
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Old 12-04-2006, 05:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yeah, what he said!!! Just relax people.

Today, still wanted by BCS teams, he survives as a coach of fortune. If you have a problem - if no one else can help - and if you can find him- maybe you can hire: Gene Chizik.
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Old 12-04-2006, 06:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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And I do realize it's the minority that is complaining but it's just not really fair when you consider how bright the future looks.

A program isn't built on one player and it doesn't succeed because of one player, thus a program won't fail if it doesn't get that one player.


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Old 12-04-2006, 06:15 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I completely agree with everything Jeremy said!!!
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Old 12-04-2006, 06:29 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Well written Jeremy.
In reality, our returning talent for basketball this year and our returning talent for football next year are well below most of the conference.
It's great to dream about NCAA bids for BB and 9 win seasons for FB. It is ridiculous to start writing off coaches if they don't get there the first year.
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Old 12-04-2006, 06:47 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Thanks Jeremy. That perfectly sums up what I have been thinking the last couple weeks.

When I saw the first 9-3 2007 football season post (then challenged with 10-2 by another CF member) I almost broke something!
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Old 12-04-2006, 07:08 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Snap Back To Reality – ISU Fans A Little Hypocritical This Time Around

Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
How can anybody say UNI shouldn’t have beaten us when the team is made up of GMAC’s players running his style of play? I sure as heck wouldn’t have expected a W but I agree it would have been nice. His experienced players that have gone to the Big Dance three straight years beat his inexperienced group of kids, what am I missing with this?
I also think it would be a dis-service for what GMac did at UNI if he beat his own guys only a few months after he left them. It would not
say much about his former program if we beat them with a patch work team.
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Old 12-04-2006, 07:15 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Great post Jeremy. Some people need to get back to reality.

Colorado coach Gary Barnett "I thought we had a pretty good mascot, but when we showed up at Iowa State, they had a real tornado. That's the real deal." November 12, 2005
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Old 12-04-2006, 07:20 PM   #10 (permalink)
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just one thing to add Pollard is a genious and he isn't going to hire just anyone to fill the shoes of the head coach here at ISU.

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Old 12-04-2006, 07:20 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Amen. Give it some time, let the players develop, let the new players come in and watch the coaches build their teams. Enjoy the wins/ upsets this year, because the year after next everyone will know to look out for us. I think we can sneak up on some teams this year and that should make for some great exCYtment!
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Old 12-04-2006, 07:22 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Well said Jeremy...it all takes time. I can tell you the level of enthusiam from donors and tickets holders is fantastic. The ISU athletic dept. is finally feeling good about the future and that is being reflected in fan interest. I'm dealing on a dozen season tickets and it's fun to see everyone feeling so good.
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Old 12-04-2006, 07:30 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Snap Back To Reality – ISU Fans A Little Hypocritical This Time Around

Man I wanted to give you some major rep for that post Jeremy but it says I still need to spread more around!

Basketball: I'm excited about the future and am taking a patient approach as I was not expecting miracles this season. I'm VERY excited about next season's prospects though and this young core will have some valuable expirience this year to go with a great recruiting class coming in to help fill the holes.

Football: While I was a big Mac supporter I'm not bitter and I am excited about the hire of Chizik. I don't know who is getting the crazy idea of a bi season next year, we have A LOT of work to do and holes to fill. If we even go .500 next season I'd be estatic as the talent is pretty thin still. Chizik may be a great hire but no coach on the planet can turn the mess we have into a 9 win season next year.
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Old 12-04-2006, 07:36 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I agree with everything that Jeremy wrote. Made some great points. Iowa State Cyclones have some great days ahead.

At the same time, I believe that this descent in the Cyclone Nation is not nearly as widespread as this article would lead to believe you.
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Old 12-04-2006, 08:08 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I am not concerned about football. I have more concerns aboiut losing to Drake in Hilton - 1978 was the last time. 1978. Reminds of Callahan going 5-6. I just expected a little more like a win.

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