Jon Miller's BTN show gets canned

**MNCyGuy** · 10-13-2010, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by tazclone

See my response in post #60. The sports talk morons that constantly beat down ISU have a negative effect on ISU, potential fans, and to some extent future success that depends on those potential fans . KXNO is like a five hour commercial of "why not to be a fan of ISU." Jon got this jollies off the idea that ISU may no longer be in a major conference.
Do you have any idea what kind of effect going to Conference USA/MWC would have on Iowa State University? Not just the athletic program but the research money, the enrollment, the negative effects on academics? As wrong as it is, sports success has a direct effect on student enrollment and their long term ties to the university. It gives a bond and reason for future donations from alumni. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, it is fact. Just ask people that work in donations if it is easier to get alumni to donate when the athletic program has success vs failure. There is a great sense of pride associated with success and that pride carries on to other parts of ISU.

I am sorry if I do not like people that constantly rip on my University. The place that provided a great education for my wife and I. The place I met my wife and had our first child. The place where I met my best friends. The place where my daughter will be attending to get her degree.

Holy overreaction!

**GeneralHouston** · 10-13-2010, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by tazclone

I don't think people have any clue how going to a lesser conference would affect the University as a whole.

It is clear the (S)state, including the dumb *** local media, does not understand that, plus the impact it would have locally as well. They would rather just regurgitate the viewpoint of uninformed national media. Talk about lack of business acumen.

**GeneralHouston** · 10-13-2010, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by storminspank

The production value of FSN is a joke. Other conferences laughed at the BTN, but it is very profitable, allows the schools to be televised nationwide, and supply money to the schools.

I agree it is great for the schools (not great for consumer protection). I have read that the BTN did not turn a profit the first few years, but it may just depend on how you do the accounting.

Originally Posted by storminspank

I feel for Jon because if he had a cohost that had any sort of personality, it would have worked.

This is like a Jon Miller back-handed compliment.
That said, I agree Jon needs his co-host to have a personality (because he does not have one).

**cysocool** · 10-13-2010, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by storminspank

ISU fans ripping on the BTN while their team has a hard time getting on the air. FoxSportsNet is a joke. The production value of FSN is a joke. Other conferences laughed at the BTN, but it is very profitable, allows the schools to be televised nationwide, and supply money to the schools.

I feel for Jon because if he had a cohost that had any sort of personality, it would have worked. Also, the constant changes the BTN threw at it didn't allow them to get their feet set.

Bottomline is the BTN works and those that rip on it are either oblivious or jealous.

I would like to go on record that I didn't rip btn only jon miller. Your network has been so successful that it nearly destroyed the big 12 and almost cost ISU millions of dollars. Thank you for being so awesome and sharing your intellect on our board...

**Tornado man** · 10-13-2010, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by storminspank

Bottomline is the BTN works and those that rip on it are either oblivious or jealous.

The BTN is fine - it was The Pulse that was horrible. My Penn State, Mich St. and Purdue friends all wondered why Miller was on.

**tazclone** · 10-13-2010, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by MNCyGuy

Holy overreaction!

So you think that 2-5 hours of ISU bashing has no effect on ISU alumni that live in the Des Moines area? None at all? Or do you think being in conference USA would have little effect on ISU? Do you seriously think we would draw 43K annually to a football game? You don't think that has an effect on Ames and ISU as a whole?

Just curious because someone is asking me to be sympathetic for a guy that was cheering for ISU to drop into Conference USA. I understand what effect that would have on the University as a whole and the City of Ames and its businesses. It would reduce income and that money would have to come from somewhere else. Why should I feel sorry because jonny lost his Big 10 gig? He sucked and openly rooted for ISU to be hurt and therefore openly rooted against anyone that makes their living from ISU's success. I normally don't feel sympathetic for people that suck at their job and ridicule others. Let alone that he openly cheers for my Universities failures. If I sucked at my job, I wouldn't expect people to feel sorry for me.

**ISUFan22** · 10-13-2010, 09:39 PM

So if some of you lose your jobs and people make fun of it online - that's ok?

Classy stuff.

**YellowSnow** · 10-13-2010, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by tazclone

So you think that 2-5 hours of ISU bashing has no effect on ISU alumni that live in the Des Moines area? None at all? Or do you think being in conference USA would have little effect on ISU? Do you seriously think we would draw 43K annually to a football game? You don't think that has an effect on Ames and ISU as a whole?

Just curious because someone is asking me to be sympathetic for a guy that was cheering for ISU to drop into Conference USA. I understand what effect that would have on the University as a whole and the City of Ames and its businesses. It would reduce income and that money would have to come from somewhere else. Why should I feel sorry because jonny lost his Big 10 gig? He sucked and openly rooted for ISU to be hurt and therefore openly rooted against anyone that makes their living from ISU's success. I normally don't feel sympathetic for people that suck at their job and ridicule others. Let alone that he openly cheers for my Universities failures. If I sucked at my job, I wouldn't expect people to feel sorry for me.

I don't feel sorry for Jon one iota...

That said, if Tazclone was doing the morning show, and the university of iowa was in ISU's position, would you pile on? Say Iowa was facing a demotion to Conf USA, could you be objective?

I know for a FACT i'd drill the hawks into the turf if given the chance. Even if i TRIED to be fair, i'd surely come across as smug and sarcastic. I can't be any other way to the Hawks... Jon struck me as the same way.

It's impossible for me to hope for anything but pestilence towards Iowa...

**Chipper** · 10-13-2010, 09:50 PM

Tazclone=

**tazclone** · 10-13-2010, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by YellowSnow

I don't feel sorry for Jon one iota...

That said, if Tazclone was doing the morning show, and the university of iowa was in ISU's position, would you pile on? Say Iowa was facing a demotion to Conf USA, could you be objective?

I know for a FACT i'd drill the hawks into the turf if given the chance. Even if i TRIED to be fair, i'd surely come across as smug and sarcastic. I can't be any other way to the Hawks... Jon struck me as the same way.

It's impossible for me to hope for anything but pestilence towards Iowa...

I grew up a hok fan in a hok household. I also know that if iowa were to get kicked out of the big 10 that it would hurt the state of Iowa and ISU. We share the same tax base and the same Board of Regents. College football brings a ton of $$ into the state. It is the biggest reason I want to keep the iowa/ISU game going. So no, I would not openly root/cheer everyday for 2-3 weeks for iowa to fall to a lesser conference. I would throw jab in here or there but I would not want that for iowa or there fans. I do hope we kick their arse every time, though

Also, if I claimed to be a journalist/reporter and there was story that broke that iowa would get an invite to the Big East (Not conference USA), I would report it and discuss it. But then that is me. That honestly is the biggest gripe I have against Jon

**tazclone** · 10-13-2010, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Chipper

Tazclone=

You are on the list

**Haverhill** · 10-13-2010, 09:58 PM

Back on radio?? Put him on during a time when I'm actually awake because I do enjoy listening to him.

**cysocool** · 10-13-2010, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

So if some of you lose your jobs and people make fun of it online - that's ok?

Classy stuff.

I'm not making fun of Jon, its more like constructive criticism. Maybe after reading this thread, he'll become a better sports talk guy, thats more humble and kinder to ISU...

**tazclone** · 10-13-2010, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

So if some of you lose your jobs and people make fun of it online - that's ok?

Classy stuff.

If I lost my job because I sucked...go right ahead and ridicule. I have sucked at jobs before. Good thing, is I knew it, left the job and found something I was good at. I had no issue with people telling me I sucked. Fact is, I did.
This isn't Jon's only income and he has stated he will be just fine
See all the other reasons, I don't like Jon
There are plenty of people that I don't like because of their narcisism. I have no problem with those people getting knocked down a notch.

**GeneralHouston** · 10-13-2010, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

So if some of you lose your jobs and people make fun of it online - that's ok?

Classy stuff.

Perfectly fine. Especially considering Miller's occupation is largely based on being critical of others on a medium that reaches a wider demographic.

Although Miller likes to intertwine the two, there is a difference between making fun of, and stating why something is subpar.

Interesting that some of the same people on CF that are so quick to feel the need to whine about negative comments about Miller on a limited audience medium like a message do not understand why some protest malicious actions by those on channels with much larger audiences.