Don't worry the University of Iowa gets paid...

[HawkFanISUalum]

Also, I would venture to say that we contribute more back to the economy of our state through research and things just because of what a lot of ISU does and what the state does.

And the medical research that the UofIowa performs contributes nothing back to the state? What about farmers (ISU's bread-and-butter) who have to be flown to the UIHC for life-saving surgery?

Really....this argument is silly. Both universities have their strong-points, and both contribute back to the state. If there is a report out there with an unbiased comparison of the two universities and their contributions back to the state, I'd be interested to read it.

[hawkfan]

The point is how funding has been spun in the media.

Explain.

No one in the media ever questioned ISU for taking federal research dollars....the question has always been whether state taxes should be used to fund ISU athletics....state taxes do not fund Iowa athletics.

[HawkFanISUalum]

I think it is stupid/short sighted the way UofI fans/media spin the whole "ISU Athletic Dept. gets state money" bit. There are only a handful of colleges in the US that can claim that they don't use state money and actually pull a profit. Congrads, UofI, you are one of them (thanks to the B10 network). Do you want to see every other college in the US shut down that can't pay their own, or just ISU? Get over it already.

Also, notice how they didn't start saying that Athletic Depts. should be off the state books until AFTER they were?

I would agree that it's a stupid argument. The amount of money ISU's athletic dept brings into the local economy likely off-sets any money they receive from the taxpayers.

Read a report recently that Iowa athletics bring in an estimated $100,000,000 into the state in terms of sales tax, hotel tax, gas tax, etc. for athletic events. If ISU brings in even 10% of that, I believe that would off-set the money they get from the state, as they don't get very much.

EDIT: Sorry, I don't think it's $100,000,000 into the state. It's the local economy. So a portion of that goes to taxes, etc. So the numbers may be wrong, but the point remains. I have to believe that ISU's athletics bring enough money to the local economy to offset money they get from the state.

[crash_zone]

And the medical research that the UofIowa performs contributes nothing back to the state? What about farmers (ISU's bread-and-butter) who have to be flown to the UIHC for life-saving surgery?

Really....this argument is silly. Both universities have their strong-points, and both contribute back to the state. If there is a report out there with an unbiased comparison of the two universities and their contributions back to the state, I'd be interested to read it.

I think the arguement is more about how ISU has more people from Iowa, and there is a chance that more of them stay in Iowa.

Both schools have provide a huge amount of research/education.

[GeneralHouston]

If you want to complain about something like this, then complain about how all Iowa residents with cable subsidize Iowa athletics via the Big 10 network.

Nobody has ever claimed that any university in the state is self supporting. They talk about the athletic departments. If you can't understand the difference then I hope you didn't actually graduate from Iowa State.

I am sorry you are struggling, but you are almost there! If you fail after this post, I will make it extremely explicit.

The first part of this post is part of the issue. If you added on the fact that Iowa did receive some state funding for its AD, but the media likes to slant it to how ISU is a drain on the tax-payers, you would be a lot closer.


Good luck

[Judoka]

I am sorry you are struggling, but you are almost there! If you fail after this post, I will make it extremely explicit.

The first part of this post is part of the issue. If you added on the fact that Iowa did receive some state funding for its AD, but the media likes to slant it to how ISU is a drain on the tax-payers, you would be a lot closer.


Good luck

All right, I give up. Please enilighten me as to how Iowa recieving grants from the stimulus to fund academic research has anything at all to do with the athletic department budgets for either school.

Because it doesn't.

[GeneralHouston]

All right, I give up. Please enilighten me as to how Iowa recieving grants from the stimulus to fund academic research has anything at all to do with the athletic department budgets for either school.

Because it doesn't.

If you are going to discuss an issue, learn to do your homework. I'll get you started: SUI was still taking some funds in the form of scholarship reimbursement.

BTW, I did not attend ISU. However, I do know enough quality graduates from ISU to realize you either are an anomaly or fabricated your degree.

[Judoka]

If you are going to discuss an issue, learn to do your homework. I'll get you started: SUI was still taking some funds in the form of scholarship reimbursement.

BTW, I did not attend ISU. However, I do know enough quality graduates from ISU to realize you either are an anomaly or fabricated your degree.

And this is related to Federal Stimulus funds... how, exactly?

Because that was what this thread was started about.

[edr247]

The OP is looking at two different things.

It would be stupid to think the University of Iowa isn't receiving money from the state or federal government. Even if you take out all the research grants/study grants the various departments pull in, I'm sure the school was more than okay with requesting stimulus money that was made available.

And I'm sure that a lot of universities would have applied for stimulus money, on top of any grants they were already receiving.

However, this doesn't not provide evidence that Iowa is somehow receiving funds for their athletic department, which I think is the argument made by Iowa fans who are, IMO, wasting their time on a pointless topic. Unless the ISU athletic department is pulling in huge amounts of money from the state coffers, I think it's a dumb thing to argue over.

[GeneralHouston]

And this is related to Federal Stimulus funds... how, exactly?

Because that was what this thread was started about.

No, this thread was about a multitude of points, the aggregate being how the media has chosen to portray funding differently at the two universities. Not only was the message propagated by the media in question, but the delivery as well. Furthermore, do not discount the dynamic nature of threads.

The fact you chose to ignore the overall point of the thread in order to try to find a defensible position is of no fault but your own.

C's get degrees, right?

[Judoka]

No, this thread was about a multitude of points, the aggregate being how the media has chosen to portray funding differently at the two universities. Not only was the message propagated by the media in question, but the delivery as well. Furthermore, do not discount the dynamic nature of threads.

The fact you chose to ignore the overall point of the thread in order to try to find a defensible position is of no fault but your own.

C's get degrees, right?

You're right, what was I possibly thinking, saying this thread was about stimulus funds going to Iowa. I mean where could I possibly have gotten that idea? Boy howdy, glad somebody called me out on tha...

Don't worry the University of Iowa gets paid...

I was listening to Jan Mickelson last week or so and he made a comment about how ISU's athletic department receives state funding which is true. He then made some comment about how the UofI doesn't take money to fund its department comparing the two.

When President Gregory Geoffroy was making difficult budget decisions at ISU with cutbacks in state funding with across the board cuts and furloughs. The U of I was happy to take Fed stimulus money so they didn't have to do the same.

Read this article and note how the university spun it. I love how the media digs us for the little in state funding our athletic department receives then completely ignores their friends in iowa city when they get paid.

UI external support jumps 9 percent to record $466.5 million

"The major up-tick in funding includes more than $40 million in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) funding."

"The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act provided an extraordinary opportunity for faculty to compete for higher risk research funding aimed at advancing health and science and helping stimulate the economic recovery. Our faculty competed very effectively for these funds, garnering 165 ARRA grants, including 11 prestigious NIH Challenge Grants," Cohen said.

"We are fortunate to have strong faculty, staff and students pursuing external resources to generate knowledge and discoveries and improve employment in Iowa," Reighley said.

Oh wait, it's because I actually read the thread.

[intrepid27]

Explain.

No one in the media ever questioned ISU for taking federal research dollars....the question has always been whether state taxes should be used to fund ISU athletics....state taxes do not fund Iowa athletics.

Where were all you guys the last 50 years (maybe more) when both schools were taking state money???? You act like this is a serious issue when most of your life the U of I was doing the exact same thing.

Way the represent the Hwak fan base!! Uninformed and arrogant!!

[cysocool]

I just think that President Gregory Geoffroy and Iowa State should get a little more credit for making the hard decisions to make budget cuts when state revenues started falling short. The comparison I'm trying to make is the UofI wouldn't make those difficult decisions and join the rest of us and sacrifice. Then they spin it by calling it research grants that probably won't discover anything but help faculty and administrators at the UI keep there jobs and high paying salaries...

Read the whole article... I personally find it laughable how its spun...


"We are fortunate to have strong faculty, staff and students pursuing external resources to generate knowledge and discoveries and improve employment in Iowa," Reighley said.

[GeneralHouston]

You're right, what was I possibly thinking, saying this thread was about stimulus funds going to Iowa. I mean where could I possibly have gotten that idea? Boy howdy, glad somebody called me out on tha...



Oh wait, it's because I actually read the thread.

Proof that reading and comprehending are not equatable.

I encourage you to keep trying. If you need help, send me a PM- you are cluttering up the board.

[cysocool]

Folks, I know that both ISU and Iowa have been receiving research grants for years and that its very important. What I'm saying is, that UI took more to cover the shortfall in state funding so they didn't have to make difficult administrative decisions. They took an additional 44 mil in 2009 ... Read the article.