Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

[isukendall]

I would be willing to bet the result of the Alabama-Auburn game determines what direction and at what rate of discovery this story continues.

Totally agree.

This is why I dislike the media. This guy is clueless and is making accusations into fact. Wait until the FACTS are out. Right now here is what is out[LIST=1][*]Newton commits to Auburnon 12-31-10 after a final three of OU, Auburn and MSU

Not sure if this really is a fact, as 12/31/10 doesn't happen for another six weeks.... guessing you meant 09?

[tazclone]

Totally agree.



Not sure if this really is a fact, as 12/31/10 doesn't happen for another six weeks.... guessing you meant 09?

LOL thank you for poinitng that out. It is edited.

[azepp]

I would be willing to bet the result of the Alabama-Auburn game determines what direction and at what rate of discovery this story continues.

Best case scenario: Auburn loses to Alabama and then loses in the SEC title game to play themselves out of a BCS bowl. That way there's not a national championship or BCS bowl berth on the line.

If a team were to go to a BCS bowl and then have their wins vacated would the school still get to keep all of the bowl money or would they have to give it back? I suppose they'd get to keep it, but this issue underscores the need to get this thing sorted out quickly.

[tazclone]

Bingo!!!

The writer is absolutely correct in his article. There is already enough information present to rule Cam Newton ineligible per NCAA rules but this whole scandal is far from over. Proving a solicitation of money for Cam's commitment will be the easiest thing to prove. Then the attention will turn to the Newton family and Auburn. Now the investigation will be focused on turning up evidence that Auburn paid the Newton family for Cam's commitment. The NCAA already has the Newton personal financial records and the financial records for their church. I am sure the NCAA will start digging around Auburn once Cam is ruled ineligible because there will be strong enough evidence to show that it is highly likely that Auburn paid him to play there. This investigation is going to be going on for a long time.

Please explain. IIRC all we have is a QB from MSU claiming Rogers said he was shopping Newton around. That is nothing more than heresay and rumor.

[CyJack13]

Here is what we do know for sure.....

1. Cam Newton let his father decide where he was going to school. He has stated this publicly multiple times. Thus Cam Newton's father was acting on his son's behalf during the recruiting process.

2. Cam Newton's father has publicly admitted that he was using Rogers to help in the recruitment of his son thus Rogers is now acting on behalf of Cam Newton as well.

3. Rogers is already being investigated by the NFLPA for being involved in very shady practices recruiting players to the sports agent that he works for.

4. A former teammate of Rogers and a booster for Miss. State blew the whistle to Miss. State about Rogers coming to him to solicit a pay for play scheme on behalf of Cam Newton's father.

In regards to #4 I have 2 questions... 1) If a guy like Rogers was going to solicit money from Miss. State to get Cam's commitment would he go to the coaching staff, AD, etc... or would he go to a booster who is a former teammate/possible friend who has a loose affiliation with Miss. State? and 2) Since Cam Newton's father has admitted using Rogers service to aid in the recruiting process for his son does this not also mean that Rogers was now acting on behalf of Cam Newton?

5. Per the NCAA if anyone acting on the behalf of a player solicits money for said player it is a violation of NCAA rules and said player is deemed ineligible at the moment the solicitation for payment is made.

Per #5.... anyway that you slice it Cam Newton is ineligible. The dots are already connected and a person acting on behalf of Cam Newton per the request of his father who was in charge of Cam's recruitment has already admitted that he solicited money from Miss. State. The NCAA is completely dragging their feet on this but based on NCAA rules and statements made by Rogers, Cecil Newton, the folks at Miss. State, etc.... the NCAA should have everything it needs to declare him ineligible right now. Auburn is completely screwed, Chiz is completely screwed, and Cam Newton is completely screwed regardless of if he even knew what was going on.

Lesson learned.... Cam may be completely innocent in all of this but because he let his scumbag father act on his behalf who then turned around and let a snakeoil salesman like Rogers act on his behalf as well he will now pay the price.

This isn't quite true. Roger's former teammate John Bond never heard from Rogers directly, as was first reported. Someone else had told someone who told Bond that Rogers had asked Miss St for money, so he didn't even hear this second hand, he basically heard a rumor that Rogers had asked for money and that isn't enough to prove guilt.

There is certainly a lot of smoke around here, but so far there's no hard evidence to rule him ineligible just yet.

[volfaniniowa]

I think the point that should be magnified here is nearly any other school in the same position would've held out Cam Newton until the issue was resolved. The reason why Auburn is taking heat is because this isn't the first time they've been swept up in cheating scandals and they have a very well-orchestrated booster club who is rumored to be the strongarm of the athletic department (specifically Bobby Lowder). The NCAA, SEC, Auburn and the BCS all have a vested interest in resolving this without receiving a black eye. I think the only issue now is which organization suffers the black eye? There is some serious power-brokering going on behind closed doors to ensure that collateral damage does not mark up the NCAA in the wake of Reggie Bush. I will never cheer for Alabama, but I must admit I'm conflicted about this years' Iron Bowl.

[jtdoyle1]

The only problem with this ordeal is that you need some hard evidence that Cam's father actually solicited funds from Miss. State.

At this point it sounds like Miss. State was jilted. Just a lot of hearsay. If Cam is guilty, then he is guilty. But it seems really strange that all these allegations are coming out AFTER he has had all this success. Hell, signing day was way back in Feb. so I am wondering why something didn't surface last spring.

Call me skeptical. But if the allegations are indeed true, then Miss. State was agreeing to pay money and got outbid for Cam's services by Auburn. If that is the case then they should produce the evidence of it, instead of just accusations.

Actually, Miss. St. made an initial report to the NCAA in January (Before signing day) and followed up in July, so this isn't MSU coming out now with allegations because of Newton's recent success.

[azepp]

Actually, Miss. St. made an initial report to the NCAA in January (Before signing day) and followed up in July, so this isn't MSU coming out now with allegations because of Newton's recent success.

It's unfortunate, though, that no one seemed to care until he's a Heisman candidate on an undefeated team.

[azepp]

I think the point that should be magnified here is nearly any other school in the same position would've held out Cam Newton until the issue was resolved. The reason why Auburn is taking heat is because this isn't the first time they've been swept up in cheating scandals and they have a very well-orchestrated booster club who is rumored to be the strongarm of the athletic department (specifically Bobby Lowder). The NCAA, SEC, Auburn and the BCS all have a vested interest in resolving this without receiving a black eye. I think the only issue now is which organization suffers the black eye? There is some serious power-brokering going on behind closed doors to ensure that collateral damage does not mark up the NCAA in the wake of Reggie Bush. I will never cheer for Alabama, but I must admit I'm conflicted about this years' Iron Bowl.

Bingo. People are going to get hurt in this thing, and the writer of the story suggests that the NCAA will do whatever it can to make sure they're not the ones looking like idiots again. In order to do this, they are almost forced to decalre Cam ineligible, regardless of the facts - unless there is an admission by the accusers that they're lying. What are the chances of that?

[tazclone]

Doesn't matter - Rogers was acting in behalf of Newton:



Even if Rogers was "shopping" Newton around unbeknown to him, the Newtons certainly are not denying that Rogers was representing Cam. Therefore, Rogers is acting in behalf of Newton, and as soon as he started asking for cash compensation Newton became ineligible.

All I have seen was Newton saying Rogers was helping in his recruitment. Not that he was representing him. Their couldn't be a contract that is not possible or there is a NCAA violation right there.
And really, we have Rogers' word and that is it. He claims that Newton requested $$$ from MSU coaches and Bill Bell. Rogers also isn't aware of any request to any other school. So how in tune was Rogers with twhat was goign on and how much was he representing Newton? FWIW- there are a lot of holes in Roger's story. First he did nothing. Then he did everything. Then he made the call to Bill Bell..oh wait, Newtons dad made the call to Bill Bell. Roger's story keeps changing every day.

I am not saying I believe nothig happened. just saying the NCAA and auburn can't/shouldn't do anything until that have factual evidence other than heresay. If they do, they risk a lawsuit

[cyclonestate]

My prediction:

The NCAA will borrow a page from the University of Iowa's playbook and wait until after the season is over and Auburn has won the national title before they make a decision.

The NCAA will then rule that Newton is retroactively ineligible, Auburn is stripped of their national title, the program is put on probation for four years, and the records books are changed to reflect that Auburn's record for the 2010 season is now 0-14.

I'm having troubles coming up with a proper anology. All I can think of is that it's like telling someone who just made love to the most beautiful woman in the world that he must now strike that experience from his memory, and his friends will not be permitted to make love to beautiful women for the next four years.

Strange anology, but you get the idea.

[Cyclonestate78]

Please explain. IIRC all we have is a QB from MSU claiming Rogers said he was shopping Newton around. That is nothing more than heresay and rumor.

What you have is a Miss. State Booster who is stating that Rogers came to him and said $180,000 and Cam is yours. You also have Rogers admitting that this is true. You also have Cam's dad saying that Rogers was in fact working on behalf of Cam in the recruiting process with respect to Miss. State. Not only do you have the smoking gun, you have the shooter, the bullet, and the dead body. They have it all. Now the question becomes who is going to step up to the plate and drop the hammer?

The Newton's look stupid because they have all said far too much, Rogers looks stupid because he let the cat out of the bag, the SEC looks stupid because for years they have turned a relatively blind eye to the dirty world of recruiting in the conference, the NCAA looks stupid because they have done absolutely nothing to clear this up and most likely won't until after the season which will pretty much ruin an entire season of college football for multiple teams (Oregon, Boise State, TCU, LSU, etc.... all teams that could have their seasons ruined based on how Auburn finishes the season while playing a kid that will most likely be ruled ineligible anyway), and Auburn looks incredibly stupid as well.

[Stormin]

My prediction:

The NCAA will borrow a page from the University of Iowa's playbook and wait until after the season is over and Auburn has won the national title before they make a decision.

The NCAA will then rule that Newton is retroactively ineligible, Auburn is stripped of their national title, the program is put on probation for four years, and the records books are changed to reflect that Auburn's record for the 2010 season is now 0-14.

I'm having troubles coming up with a proper anology. All I can think of is that it's like telling someone who just made love to the most beautiful woman in the world that he must now strike that experience from his memory, and his friends will not be permitted to make love to beautiful women for the next four years.

Strange anology, but you get the idea.

I will play Devil's Advocate. Let's say everyone jumps to conclusions and Cam is not allowed to play. He doesn't get the Heisman. Auburn loses a shot at the NC without Cam.

Then we find out later that Miss. State and those associated with them just made everything up and Cam was innocent of what they had charged him with.

What is the proper recourse then???

[Cyclonestate78]

All I have seen was Newton saying Rogers was helping in his recruitment. Not that he was representing him.

What is Rogers job? What does he do? He runs a recruiting service representing recruits and approaching schools in an effort to get them to recruit a specific player he is associated with. IF that isn't representing a player on his behalf then I don't know what is.

[Wesley]

Dang. What do you call it when a Chizz chizzes himself? A Chizz sandwich?