Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

[CyJack13]

What you have is a Miss. State Booster who is stating that Rogers came to him and said $180,000 and Cam is yours. You also have Rogers admitting that this is true. You also have Cam's dad saying that Rogers was in fact working on behalf of Cam in the recruiting process with respect to Miss. State. Not only do you have the smoking gun, you have the shooter, the bullet, and the dead body. They have it all. Now the question becomes who is going to step up to the plate and drop the hammer?

The Newton's look stupid because they have all said far too much, Rogers looks stupid because he let the cat out of the bag, the SEC looks stupid because for years they have turned a relatively blind eye to the dirty world of recruiting in the conference, the NCAA looks stupid because they have done absolutely nothing to clear this up and most likely won't until after the season which will pretty much ruin an entire season of college football for multiple teams (Oregon, Boise State, TCU, LSU, etc.... all teams that could have their seasons ruined based on how Auburn finishes the season while playing a kid that will most likely be ruled ineligible anyway), and Auburn looks incredibly stupid as well.

This isn't true though. You have a booster saying he heard from someone who heard from someone else that Rogers was looking for money for Newton. Basically you have a forth hand rumor that Rogers was asking for money.

[Cyclonestate78]

I will play Devil's Advocate. Let's say everyone jumps to conclusions and Cam is not allowed to play. He doesn't get the Heisman. Auburn loses a shot at the NC without Cam.

Then we find out later that Miss. State and those associated with them just made everything up and Cam was innocent of what they had charged him with.

What is the proper recourse then???

I will play Devil's Advocate as well. Let's say the NCAA and Auburn do nothing. They allow Cam to continue playing, Auburn wins the SEC Championship, the National Championship, and Cam wins the Heisman.

Then we find out later that Cam was ineligible for soliciting Miss. State in a pay for play scheme, his folks accepted $200,000 from Auburn for his commitment, etc...

What is the recourse for any number of teams, their staffs, their players, their universities, their fans, their conferences, etc.... for a lost opportunity to go to a bowl game with Auburn taking an available bowl slot, their lost opportunity to play in the BCS (huge payout), their lost opportunity to play for a potential National Championship, the possible damage losing that opportunity could cause them in future recruiting, donations, etc.....???

This is huge and the scope of the fallout is far reaching. Isn't anybody else tired of watching the NCAA sit around with their thumbs up their butts doing absolutely nothing and then coming back after the fact and just wiping the record books clean? How does that help TCU or a number of other teams make up for a lost chance for a National Title? There will be a team that will lose out on a huge BCS game payout because Auburn stole their spot.... Does Auburn have to pay back that huge BCS payout or do they get to benefit financially from their potential cheating?

This is why I hate the NCAA. The NCAA completely screws those that play by the rules like ISU with Lucca (dbag), Gilstrap, and Royce White yet they will bend over and let Auburn give it to them from behind making them look like idiots and do it all with a big smile on their face. For once I would like to see the NCAA do the right thing and catch these guys red handed and drop the freaking hammer on them. A kid like Gilstrap who is a great story gets hosed by the NCAA while a kid that potentially got paid 200k to play gets to retain his eligibility, potentially win a National Championship, and a Heisman Trophy? Where is the freaking justice in that?

[Cyclonestate78]

This isn't true though. You have a booster saying he heard from someone who heard from someone else that Rogers was looking for money for Newton. Basically you have a forth hand rumor that Rogers was asking for money.

You have recruiters for Miss. State who spoke with a distressed Cam on the phone saying he wanted to be at Miss. State but it was his dad's choice to pick Auburn and "the money was too much".

Then there is this to help eliminate this "sour grapes" attack on Miss. State....

According to ESPN's report, Kenny Rogers, an agent based in Chicago, tried to steer Newton to Mississippi State last December. Rogers was a defensive back for the Bulldogs in the early 1980s, the network reported.
John Bond, a former Mississippi State quarterback and a teammate of Rogers, told ESPN that Rogers told him "it would take some cash to get Cam." The two men spoke shortly after Newton completed a visit to Starkville. Newton was looking to return to Division I football; he played at Blinn College, a Texas junior college, in 2009 after transferring from Florida.
Bond told ESPN that Rogers told him other schools had already offered $200,000, but Rogers would reduce MSU's price to $180,000 because Newton liked coach Dan Mullen, who coached Newton at Florida.
According to ESPN, Bond said he alerted then-Mississippi State athletic director Greg Byrne to the conversation with Rogers, "and he took it from there. That was pretty much it."
The Times reported Byrne and Mullen forwarded Bond's information to the Southeastern Conference. An NCAA investigator visited with Bond and Mississippi State officials last September, according to ESPN.
"We've done what we were supposed to do from the very beginning. Mississippi State has done nothing wrong, and I've done nothing wrong," Bond told ESPN. "It's been handed off to the NCAA, and it's in their hands now. I don't know what happened at Auburn. I don't know why he went to Auburn. That's not my concern. My concern is Mississippi State and making sure this doesn't cause us any trouble."


Read more: NCAA investigating Auburn QB Cam Newton's recruitment - NCAA Football - Sporting News

[RayShimley]

I will play Devil's Advocate as well. Let's say the NCAA and Auburn do nothing. They allow Cam to continue playing, Auburn wins the SEC Championship, the National Championship, and Cam wins the Heisman.

Then we find out later that Cam was ineligible for soliciting Miss. State in a pay for play scheme, his folks accepted $200,000 from Auburn for his commitment, etc...

What is the recourse for any number of teams, their staffs, their players, their universities, their fans, their conferences, etc.... for a lost opportunity to go to a bowl game with Auburn taking an available bowl slot, their lost opportunity to play in the BCS (huge payout), their lost opportunity to play for a potential National Championship, the possible damage losing that opportunity could cause them in future recruiting, donations, etc.....???

This is huge and the scope of the fallout is far reaching. Isn't anybody else tired of watching the NCAA sit around with their thumbs up their butts doing absolutely nothing and then coming back after the fact and just wiping the record books clean? How does that help TCU or a number of other teams make up for a lost chance for a National Title? There will be a team that will lose out on a huge BCS game payout because Auburn stole their spot.... Does Auburn have to pay back that huge BCS payout or do they get to benefit financially from their potential cheating?

This is why I hate the NCAA. The NCAA completely screws those that play by the rules like ISU with Lucca (dbag), Gilstrap, and Royce White yet they will bend over and let Auburn give it to them from behind making them look like idiots and do it all with a big smile on their face. For once I would like to see the NCAA do the right thing and catch these guys red handed and drop the freaking hammer on them. A kid like Gilstrap who is a great story gets hosed by the NCAA while a kid that potentially got paid 200k to play gets to retain his eligibility, potentially win a National Championship, and a Heisman Trophy? Where is the freaking justice in that?

This. The NCAA inexplicably seems to really sweat the "small things" while consistently turning a blind eye to the major violations.

[CyJack13]

You have recruiters for Miss. State who spoke with a distressed Cam on the phone saying he wanted to be at Miss. State but it was his dad's choice to pick Auburn and "the money was too much".

Then there is this to help eliminate this "sour grapes" attack on Miss. State....

According to ESPN's report, Kenny Rogers, an agent based in Chicago, tried to steer Newton to Mississippi State last December. Rogers was a defensive back for the Bulldogs in the early 1980s, the network reported.
John Bond, a former Mississippi State quarterback and a teammate of Rogers, told ESPN that Rogers told him "it would take some cash to get Cam." The two men spoke shortly after Newton completed a visit to Starkville. Newton was looking to return to Division I football; he played at Blinn College, a Texas junior college, in 2009 after transferring from Florida.
Bond told ESPN that Rogers told him other schools had already offered $200,000, but Rogers would reduce MSU's price to $180,000 because Newton liked coach Dan Mullen, who coached Newton at Florida.
According to ESPN, Bond said he alerted then-Mississippi State athletic director Greg Byrne to the conversation with Rogers, "and he took it from there. That was pretty much it."
The Times reported Byrne and Mullen forwarded Bond's information to the Southeastern Conference. An NCAA investigator visited with Bond and Mississippi State officials last September, according to ESPN.
"We've done what we were supposed to do from the very beginning. Mississippi State has done nothing wrong, and I've done nothing wrong," Bond told ESPN. "It's been handed off to the NCAA, and it's in their hands now. I don't know what happened at Auburn. I don't know why he went to Auburn. That's not my concern. My concern is Mississippi State and making sure this doesn't cause us any trouble."

Read more: NCAA investigating Auburn QB Cam Newton's recruitment - NCAA Football - Sporting News

John Bond himself has denied ever meeting Rogers. The initial report was wrong. He heard it from someone else, and has said this to more than one media outlet.

Here's what Bond told the WCNN radio show, Buck and Kincade, when he was asked about getting an offer from Rogers:
"Actually, there were two people in between it but, basically, yes, that's what happened."
Actually, there were two people in between Rogers and Bond?
Actually?
Bond isn't a source -- he's a gossip. He doesn't have information. He has a rumor. He's the fourth person in a game of telephone tag that started with Rogers -- allegedly -- and went through two other people before landing in the lap of Mississippi State devotee John Bond.

Consider the source on Newton story - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com

[Stormin]

I will play Devil's Advocate as well. Let's say the NCAA and Auburn do nothing. They allow Cam to continue playing, Auburn wins the SEC Championship, the National Championship, and Cam wins the Heisman.

Then we find out later that Cam was ineligible for soliciting Miss. State in a pay for play scheme, his folks accepted $200,000 from Auburn for his commitment, etc...

What is the recourse for any number of teams, their staffs, their players, their universities, their fans, their conferences, etc.... for a lost opportunity to go to a bowl game with Auburn taking an available bowl slot, their lost opportunity to play in the BCS (huge payout), their lost opportunity to play for a potential National Championship, the possible damage losing that opportunity could cause them in future recruiting, donations, etc.....???

This is huge and the scope of the fallout is far reaching. Isn't anybody else tired of watching the NCAA sit around with their thumbs up their butts doing absolutely nothing and then coming back after the fact and just wiping the record books clean? How does that help TCU or a number of other teams make up for a lost chance for a National Title? There will be a team that will lose out on a huge BCS game payout because Auburn stole their spot.... Does Auburn have to pay back that huge BCS payout or do they get to benefit financially from their potential cheating?

This is why I hate the NCAA. The NCAA completely screws those that play by the rules like ISU with Lucca (dbag), Gilstrap, and Royce White yet they will bend over and let Auburn give it to them from behind making them look like idiots and do it all with a big smile on their face. For once I would like to see the NCAA do the right thing and catch these guys red handed and drop the freaking hammer on them. A kid like Gilstrap who is a great story gets hosed by the NCAA while a kid that potentially got paid 200k to play gets to retain his eligibility, potentially win a National Championship, and a Heisman Trophy? Where is the freaking justice in that?

If that is the case then you strip Auburn of the title and all victories, you put them on sanctions like you did USC. And Cam Newton gets stripped of his Heisman and all accolades and gets a taste of public contempt like Reggie Bush.

The IMPORTANT thing to remember is that this IS America. And you are innocent until proven guilty.

No offense, but I consider it a FAR BIGGER travesty to become a victim of innuendo and falsehoods. You are trying to incorporate a WHOLE NEW standard in determining guilt. You are saying that a person is Guilty. Until they prove themselves innocent. I disagree. Because this is America and we don't do things that way.

[CysMyBoy]

My favorite quote from the article:
"Make no mistake about it, Auburn has two options: a. allow its fans to cheer for a team that isn't going to win anything once all is said and done or b. pull Newton and let the fans know that they are screwed both immediately and in the future."

[jmb]

I think I heard on Dan Patrick that the FBI is now getting involved as well as the IRS...

jmb

[CyJack13]

If that is the case then you strip Auburn of the title and all victories, you put them on sanctions like you did USC. And Cam Newton gets stripped of his Heisman and all accolades and gets a taste of public contempt like Reggie Bush.

The IMPORTANT thing to remember is that this IS America. And you are innocent until proven guilty.

No offense, but I consider it a FAR BIGGER travesty to become a victim of innuendo and falsehoods. You are trying to incorporate a WHOLE NEW standard in determining guilt. You are saying that a person is Guilty. Until they prove themselves innocent. I disagree. Because this is America and we don't do things that way.

Agree completely. Suspending Newton based on, what is so far, hearsay from a rival school, would be heading down a very slippery slope. Say next year Texas or Oklahoma is undefeated late in the year, it would be pretty easy for a booster from one of those schools to claim so and so from the other school asked him for money in return for a commitment. It doesn't even have to be a star player, just anyone, any special teams player who had played in every game, and then you would have an NCAA precedent calling for an immediate suspension and forfieture of games played. Until there is more than hearsay evidence, you cannot suspend Newton.

[Cyclonestate78]

If that is the case then you strip Auburn of the title and all victories, you put them on sanctions like you did USC. And Cam Newton gets stripped of his Heisman and all accolades and gets a taste of public contempt like Reggie Bush.

The IMPORTANT thing to remember is that this IS America. And you are innocent until proven guilty.

No offense, but I consider it a FAR BIGGER travesty to become a victim of innuendo and falsehoods. You are trying to incorporate a WHOLE NEW standard in determining guilt. You are saying that a person is Guilty. Until they prove themselves innocent. I disagree. Because this is America and we don't do things that way.

I asked the question.... what is the recourse for all of the people that get screwed when we all find out that all of these allegations against Cam are true after the fact?

So the NCAA wipes the record books clean, Auburn is 0-14 but what is the recourse for the teams that got shut out of the National Championship game? By then it is too late isn't it? So an entire season of college football, practices, games, injuries suffered, hard work put in, is all for not? Say Oregon runs the table and loses to Auburn in the title game. So Auburn gets stripped of the title.... that doesn't mean that Oregon gets it... it means that nobody gets it. How is that fair? Basically everyone gets screwed and Cam Newton walks away completely free. What a joke.

[Stormin]

The thing that is a bit crazy in all of this and is this a possibility? That Rogers was fishing for a big payday and was going to keep the money himself?

So far all we have are allegations from Rogers and they are unsubstantiated at this time. We don't even know that the Newtons were making any demands at all. And let's take a for instance that the Newtons didn't know and money did pass on to Rogers. And then Rogers pockets the money.

Rogers sounds like a scam artist. I don't really trust his word. But I want to see a direct paper trail of money back to the Newtons. There should be a paper trail if money changed hands. The FBI would find it.

[RayShimley]

And this why every college football fan should be cheering for Alabama to cream Auburn this week. If the NCAA isn't going to do their jobs, we'll just have to rely on the Crimson Tide to make it right.

[Cyclonestate78]

And this why every college football fan should be cheering for Alabama to cream Auburn this week. If the NCAA isn't going to do their jobs, we'll just have to rely on the Crimson Tide to make it right.

This. Is it so crazy to think that Auburn knows that Cam and his family are guilty as sin in this whole thing and they just continue to play him anyway? Auburn has a nice history of violating NCAA rules when it comes to their football program. Just ask Terry Bowden.... well that won't do you any good. They forced him to sign a confidentiality agreement when they got rid of him and he fell on the sword for a nice payday when the NCAA came crashing down on the program.

[CyJack13]

This. Is it so crazy to think that Auburn knows that Cam and his family are guilty as sin in this whole thing and they just continue to play him anyway? Auburn has a nice history of violating NCAA rules when it comes to their football program. Just ask Terry Bowden.... well that won't do you any good. They forced him to sign a confidentiality agreement when they got rid of him and he fell on the sword for a nice payday when the NCAA came crashing down on the program.

If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'.

[tazclone]

You have recruiters for Miss. State who spoke with a distressed Cam on the phone saying he wanted to be at Miss. State but it was his dad's choice to pick Auburn and "the money was too much".

Then there is this to help eliminate this "sour grapes" attack on Miss. State....

According to ESPN's report, Kenny Rogers, an agent based in Chicago, tried to steer Newton to Mississippi State last December. Rogers was a defensive back for the Bulldogs in the early 1980s, the network reported.
John Bond, a former Mississippi State quarterback and a teammate of Rogers, told ESPN that Rogers told him "it would take some cash to get Cam." The two men spoke shortly after Newton completed a visit to Starkville. Newton was looking to return to Division I football; he played at Blinn College, a Texas junior college, in 2009 after transferring from Florida.
Bond told ESPN that Rogers told him other schools had already offered $200,000, but Rogers would reduce MSU's price to $180,000 because Newton liked coach Dan Mullen, who coached Newton at Florida.
According to ESPN, Bond said he alerted then-Mississippi State athletic director Greg Byrne to the conversation with Rogers, "and he took it from there. That was pretty much it."
The Times reported Byrne and Mullen forwarded Bond's information to the Southeastern Conference. An NCAA investigator visited with Bond and Mississippi State officials last September, according to ESPN.
"We've done what we were supposed to do from the very beginning. Mississippi State has done nothing wrong, and I've done nothing wrong," Bond told ESPN. "It's been handed off to the NCAA, and it's in their hands now. I don't know what happened at Auburn. I don't know why he went to Auburn. That's not my concern. My concern is Mississippi State and making sure this doesn't cause us any trouble."

Read more: NCAA investigating Auburn QB Cam Newton's recruitment - NCAA Football - Sporting News

This is nothing new and again it is all heresay based on Rogers who has changed his story atleast three times. if the NCAA could declare him ineligible, they would but they have to tip toe becaue they are messing with a lawsuit if they don't have everything airtight. Would you bet millions of dollars on Kenny Rogers being honest and a couple of opposing coaches in the SEC? I wouldn't