Help with Speech: Topic: BCS vs Playoff System

[dualthreat]

It's not a joke, conference play determined who the best team was from each conference. Only those conference championship teams should be permitted in a championship playoff. Due to logistics and timing, only the best 8 conference champs should qualify. The only teams that could legitimately complain about this system would be UConn, Miami OH, and Troy/FIU; the only confernece champs excluded from the playoff.

2008

11-1 Texas
11-1 Oklahoma
11-1 Texas Tech

only 1 team would make the tournament, which one? Oklahoma? Then Texas still gets screwed. Even though they could have been the best team in the country that year, a conference champions only tournament STILL wouldn't have allowed them to prove it on the field!

[BigBake]

Cyjack I think you just made my point. Wisconsin win the big 10 this year. Ohio st an msu didn't.

Wisconsin gets big 10 playoff berth and other two get a runner up bowl game.

But that would reinforce importance of reg season. Those games during the season mattered immensely.

[dualthreat]

IF they were to do a playoff, that might be the best way to go about it (only conference champions)

but that still isn't a good way of determining a champion nor is it a good way of determining who is the best team in the country

[CYKOFAN]

The Big 10 will have a championship game starting next year (I assume) so they will determine one indisputable conference champion. For bcs conferences that don't play a round robin or have a play-off, they would need a formula to determine their conference champ, but that's the position they put themselves in and would have to live with it. However I doubt there will be any bcs conferences in that position in the near future.

[Clone5]

Or mention that the Little Caesars Bowl brings in more money than the two teams that would be playing in round one of one NCAA tournament basketball game with two mid-major teams.

Like The Great Dan Hawkins said, "If we had a playoff system, games still wouldn't be won on the field, they'd be won in the training room because so many guys would be getting hurt."

Just look at the Indianapolis Colts last season, they had to play the super bowl without bob sanders, without a healthy dwight freeny.. and so forth. (I can't think of all the guys but all i kept hearing about was how banged up the colts were)

You can't compare basketball to football in terms of revenue.
Where did I say I wanted to see college football players get hurt and play any more than on extra game? If you eliminate one pointless early season non-conference game and eliminate these teams' bowl games teams would only be playing one extra game.
I like how you mention two mid-major teams play in the first round of the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Davidson, Gonzaga, George Mason, and UNI are all mid-majors that actually get shots to win in basketball unlike football. I mean why would we want to find out who's better on the field/court?

[dualthreat]

well, for one we shouldn't be comparing football and basketball. there is a reason you can play 4 bball games in one week and never play more than 1 football game.

and even if george mason is good, im honestly ignorant: how many fans do they bring to a game? I've seen some highlights on espn of some of those drake sized schools... the gyms are high school sized (or smaller).

adding basketball to the discussion is entirely moot however you look at it

and you compared the entire college basketball national tournament to a mid major bowl game. c'mon now

[CYKOFAN]

The Colts just seem to have a lot of guys that get hurt, which has been the case again this year long before the play-offs. Why can every other division in college football have play-offs with the kids playing up to 14 games? Do they have larger rosters or are they tougher than d-1 players? And I'm not going to put much faith in Hawkins opinion of the play-offs, he needs to focus on finding another head coaching job (if he even gets the opportunity).

[dualthreat]

also, there is no such thing as a davidson/george mason in college football.

basketball = 15 players
football = 115 players

if you have a guy like stephen curry he can tear **** up on the bball court almost by himself. Put vince young on UNI's football team: they'd get 8th in the big 12

[Cycsk]

How about this perspective?

Can fan bases really be mobilized in a week to go to a bowl/tournament game? You would have the fans of all teams that had a possibility needing to make travel and hotel arrangements. If you lose one week, you don't go anywhere the next week. If you win, your fan base has to go to another city the next week. I'm not sure that even Ohio State could mobilize itself under these circumstances.

Plus, the travel and hotel industry relies on advanced reservations. I can't imagine the mess of trying to handle 50,000 fans from two of four possible schools all converging on websites as soon as their games are over.

[uthaman]

I don't see a 8 or 16 team playoff ever happening. Ever notice that the NCAA is NEVER mentioned during talks about bowls? There is a reason for that, and that is that the NCAA is not involved!

Know where the NCAA is involved? In the basketball playoff. And want to know another thing? The NCAA keeps 60% of the revenue from the basketball tournament. Only 40% gets split amongst the schools and conferences.

So, currently the schools and conferences keep 100% of the bowl and BCS money. In a playoff situation the NCAA would become involved and want a piece of those $$$$$. So.... to make a long story short, the conferences will NOT do anything that gives the NCAA a seat at the table and a claim to any money.

Best to hope for is a Plus 1.

[Melvin]

BCS Pros:
- Regular Season is Awesome
- Computers are the best way to calculate who should play. Hey computers run our lives now, why not let them run College Football.

BCS Cons:
- Teams get left out of NC

Playoff Pros:
- Teams don't get left out

Playoff Con:
- Too Long of Season

ANSWER:
+1 Format that the Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 10 voted down.

a) 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 on New Years Day
b) Championshiop Game on Jan 10 - just like today.
c) Season stays AWESOME, becuause if you lose 1 game, you might not make the playoff.

[Cycsk]

Could someone explain what you mean by "Plus 1?" I have heard it used in various ways through the years, but it sounds like there is a consensus that knows what it means without stating the details. Maybe I just haven't been watching enough ESPN Sports Center.

[Clone5]

also, there is no such thing as a davidson/george mason in college football.

basketball = 15 players
football = 115 players

if you have a guy like stephen curry he can tear **** up on the bball court almost by himself. Put vince young on UNI's football team: they'd get 8th in the big 12

I can guarantee you if we had the 8 team playoff for 10 years or more an eight or seven seed would win it at least once.
I can even see a 16 seed winning it if we had a 16 team playoff.
I do not understand how any college football fan can be in favor of the BCS and not a playoff.

[Cyballz]

how about this...do your own ******* homework

[cykadelic2]

2008

11-1 Texas
11-1 Oklahoma
11-1 Texas Tech

only 1 team would make the tournament, which one? Oklahoma? Then Texas still gets screwed. Even though they could have been the best team in the country that year, a conference champions only tournament STILL wouldn't have allowed them to prove it on the field!

That was an extremely rare situation where all 3 teams beat each other and all other tie-breaking criteria were exhausted, very rare that scenario happens with a round-robin schedule. The B12 tweaked their formula to where Texas would have qualified under current rules. The BCS rankings are still the tiebreaker but if the top two teams are not separated by another team in the rankings, the tiebreaker is the head-to-head match-up which I think is fair.

This season's B10 scenario could have been avoided with round robin scheduling.