RichRod done?

[cyhiphopp]

I don't know. I was of the opinion that if you can't get Harbaugh, you stay with RR and try to get a good DC. I'm not convinced Harbaugh is out of this thing because he hasn't come out and said it yet. I would have expected him to say something. I suppose I could make a list:

1. Chris Peterson
2. Pat Fitzgerald
3. Bud Foster
4. Gus Malzahn
5. Not Brady Hoke or Les Miles

That's all I've got and in makeing this list I have just removed anyone on it fom legitimate canidacy.

I have a feeling this will end very badly for Michigan. I can see Harbaugh stringing them along while he tries to get and NFL job thinking he can go to Michigan if no NFL team bites.

Meanwhile Michigan continues to lose recruits and has to keep other potential cancdidates waiting. Then ends up with Hoke.

If Michigan does not know who exactly they are going to get right now (and actually gets them), they are in trouble.

[CyJack13]

I don't know. I was of the opinion that if you can't get Harbaugh, you stay with RR and try to get a good DC. I'm not convinced Harbaugh is out of this thing because he hasn't come out and said it yet. I would have expected him to say something. I suppose I could make a list:

1. Chris Peterson
2. Pat Fitzgerald
3. Bud Foster
4. Gus Malzahn
5. Not Brady Hoke or Les Miles

That's all I've got and in makeing this list I have just removed anyone on it fom legitimate canidacy.

Fitzgerald would be a good hire but I think it will take a lot to get him to leave N'western. If you're going the DC route I think Kirby Smart would be an easier sell to the fanbase than Bud Foster. Chris Petersen is interesting. I know he's turned down a lot of job offers, but I could see him leaving for Michigan. This was the year for Boise St and they came up just short and with the MWC losing Utah, BYU, TCU, he's still going to be stuck in a weak conference next season.

[Ficklone02]

If I was a Michigan fan....which I am the complete opposite, I would have this list:

1. Harbaugh
2. Les Miles

Only problem with Miles is if Lloyd Carr is still employed with the AD, I doubt this happens since the rift between the two apparently was the reason they did not hire the mad hatter the last time around. I think the physical brand of football either of these two would bring is what Michigan fans want to get back to.

[Clark]

If I was a Michigan fan....which I am the complete opposite, I would have this list:

1. Harbaugh
2. Les Miles

Only problem with Miles is if Lloyd Carr is still employed with the AD, I doubt this happens since the rift between the two apparently was the reason they did not hire the mad hatter the last time around. I think the physical brand of football either of these two would bring is what Michigan fans want to get back to.

Carr is no longer employed by Michigan I think.

I think that's probably Michigan's two top choices and if I were a fan those would be mine as well (at least for coaches that they could realistically get.)

[Tre4ISU]

I have a feeling this will end very badly for Michigan. I can see Harbaugh stringing them along while he tries to get and NFL job thinking he can go to Michigan if no NFL team bites.

Meanwhile Michigan continues to lose recruits and has to keep other potential cancdidates waiting. Then ends up with Hoke.

If Michigan does not know who exactly they are going to get right now (and actually gets them), they are in trouble.

This is going to end up bad. Hoke bad

Fitzgerald would be a good hire but I think it will take a lot to get him to leave N'western. If you're going the DC route I think Kirby Smart would be an easier sell to the fanbase than Bud Foster. Chris Petersen is interesting. I know he's turned down a lot of job offers, but I could see him leaving for Michigan. This was the year for Boise St and they came up just short and with the MWC losing Utah, BYU, TCU, he's still going to be stuck in a weak conference next season.

Chris Peterson has now been alienated. He is the one successful non AQ program. I think they have a slim chance with him and IMO, he is the one guy who doesn't make this whole thing a huge fail.

If I was a Michigan fan....which I am the complete opposite, I would have this list:

1. Harbaugh
2. Les Miles

Only problem with Miles is if Lloyd Carr is still employed with the AD, I doubt this happens since the rift between the two apparently was the reason they did not hire the mad hatter the last time around. I think the physical brand of football either of these two would bring is what Michigan fans want to get back to.

If you were a Michigan fan you would not want Les Miles. He has had success, yes, but he doesn't create a warm feeling. When he was an assistant at Michigan he had an affair with another coaches wife, that's the rumor anyway.

Carr is no longer employed by Michigan I think.

I think that's probably Michigan's two top choices and if I were a fan those would be mine as well (at least for coaches that they could realistically get.)

No he's not employed by Michigan but I am sure his input counts for something. Let me be clear-NO LES MILES. Besides that I believe that Les Miles buyout in terms of going to Michigan is huge.

[Tre4ISU]

Excuse my language. I know it's rude.

I just listened to the presser and this is one big ******* cluster****. Huge. Dave Brandon doesn't seem to have a clue.

[ISUKoolaid]

Excuse my language. I know it's rude.

I just listened to the presser and this is one big ******* cluster****. Huge. Dave Brandon doesn't seem to have a clue.

I guess thats what happens when you hire a Pizza Exec as AD whose only qualification is MICHIGAN MAN

[Tre4ISU]

I guess thats what happens when you hire a Pizza Exec as AD whose only qualification is MICHIGAN MAN

Yeah, I questioned this thing at first. Then he did some good things marketing wise and I thought he might be somewhat competant but, to me, nothing is more important than hiring and so far he is failing. Unless he has something up his sleeve, this is really bad. Their APR is going to be crushed if they don't get a Chris Peterson or someone that can adapt to talent. They were just starting to get that under wraps too.

I know some don't like Jamie Pollard but, in relation to other ADs, he runs a very good hiring and firing process. Very clean, pretty quick. The Michigan deal so far has not been either.

What I don't get is how you don't have Harbaugh locked up, but you are going to fire RR anyway, yet you wait for a month and a half to do it. It makes absolutely no sense. None, whatsoever. Good programs don't start coach searches on the 5th of January. You don't do that.

[Tornado man]

Brady Hoke would be a tremendous hire for Michigan. To look just at his overall recrord is an exercise in very primitive analysis. He's totally turned around two programs that were disasters before he came there. Ball State had lost a zillion games in a row prior to Hoke. He eventually brought them to 12-0. SDSU was 2-10 at the end of the Chuck Long era, and two years later under Hoke they were 9-4, losing close games at TCU (by 5), Mizzou, and Utah.
Hoke runs a balanced power running game with combined with passing, a far cry from RichRod's gimmicks. But the biggest help he brings in a shut-down defensive mentality. He was a great recruiter when he was on the Michigan staff.
Hoke would be a home run hire. A home run.

[Clark]

Brady Hoke would be a tremendous hire for Michigan. To look just at his overall recrord is an exercise in very primitive analysis. He's totally turned around two programs that were disasters before he came there. Ball State had lost a zillion games in a row prior to Hoke. He eventually brought them to 12-0. SDSU was 2-10 at the end of the Chuck Long era, and two years later under Hoke they were 9-4, losing close games at TCU (by 5), Mizzou, and Utah.
Hoke runs a balanced power running game with combined with passing, a far cry from RichRod's gimmicks. But the biggest help he brings in a shut-down defensive mentality. He was a great recruiter when he was on the Michigan staff.
Hoke would be a home run hire. A home run.

I don't agree. He might be successful (it's actually hard not to be successful at Michigan despite the amazing performance by RR over the last 3 years) but he's still an unknown at the BCS level. He's a guy that a program like Stanford would hire. Tressel is the exception, not the rule. You don't go from a mid major school to a top 10 program. Brian Kelly had to go to Cincinnatti before getting the ND job.

[Tornado man]

I don't agree. He might be successful (it's actually hard not to be successful at Michigan despite the amazing performance by RR over the last 3 years) but he's still an unknown at the BCS level. He's a guy that a program like Stanford would hire. Tressel is the exception, not the rule. You don't go from a mid major school to a top 10 program. Brian Kelly had to go to Cincinnatti before getting the ND job.

I think Urban Meyer did OK.
Hoke was the associate head coach/defensive line coach at Michigan prior to HC at Ball State. He knows all about big-time football. Some would say that Lloyd Carr's defenses weren't the same after Hoke left.

Michigan does not have their "pick" of coaches. They didn't when they hired RichRod, and they don't now.

[CarolinaCy]

That's from Brian Cook. No offense to Chris at all because he does a different thing here, but Brian Cook runs a good ship over there. Some of the stuff he writes, like that little piece, is hilarious. That site is about as good as they get for content, it just isn't all that user friendly.

Yeah, it's good. I remember checking it out when the previous coaching search was going on at Michigan, and it was pure comedy gold.

[Clark]

I think Urban Meyer did OK.
Hoke was the associate head coach/defensive line coach at Michigan prior to HC at Ball State. He knows all about big-time football. Some would say that Lloyd Carr's defenses weren't the same after Hoke left.

Michigan does not have their "pick" of coaches. They didn't when they hired RichRod, and they don't now.

I don't consider Utah to be a mid major school. I think Patterson(TCU) or Pedersen(Boise St) would be great hires.

I'm just thinking about what I would want if I were a Michigan fan. I'd want a coach who has proven he could win at the highest level. Hoke hasn't done that.

[Ficklone02]

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If you were a Michigan fan you would not want Les Miles. He has had success, yes, but he doesn't create a warm feeling. When he was an assistant at Michigan he had an affair with another coaches wife, that's the rumor anyway.

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Depends on how many friends of Moeller's are still influencial at Michigan if Les gets a look or not. Those events took place along time ago. It does appear that Carr is gone, who was the most influential against his hiring last time. So, in my own interests as an OSU fan I hope they hire someone mediocre enough to give us some competition, but not threaten us. However, if I was a Michigan fan who undoubtedly wants smashmouth football back, I know I'd be all over Miles being hired back to Ann Arbor.

[Tre4ISU]

Brady Hoke would be a tremendous hire for Michigan. To look just at his overall recrord is an exercise in very primitive analysis. He's totally turned around two programs that were disasters before he came there. Ball State had lost a zillion games in a row prior to Hoke. He eventually brought them to 12-0. SDSU was 2-10 at the end of the Chuck Long era, and two years later under Hoke they were 9-4, losing close games at TCU (by 5), Mizzou, and Utah.
Hoke runs a balanced power running game with combined with passing, a far cry from RichRod's gimmicks. But the biggest help he brings in a shut-down defensive mentality. He was a great recruiter when he was on the Michigan staff.
Hoke would be a home run hire. A home run.

I believe Ball St. was a 4-7 team that had one 3 out of their last 4 when he arrived there. It then took him 5 years to improve upon that and that was only a 7 win season. After that 12-0 season they absolutely got destroyed in their bowl game. That was in the MAC. It seems as though he's turned around SDSU, but one year is hardly solid eveidence of that. His resume is not nearly as strong as RR's was when he was hired.

Hoke should be a last resort. Peterson, Harbaugh, Foster, and Malzahn should all be before him.