JoePa Fired/What is happening at Penn State?!?!

**CTTB78** · 11-07-2011, 03:07 PM

Aside from what the official story is, for Joe Pa to say that he didn't hear/know what was going on inside the football department with this guy is not believable. Too small of a circle for way too many years. It's a head coach looking the other way with a big tme problem with his long time buddy.

It's too, bad. Joe Pa has (had IMO) a great reputation and this one will dog him long after he is gone.

**cy1010** · 11-07-2011, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by MNCyGuy

I really hope for JoePa's sake that somebody higher up flat-out lied and told him an investigation was occuring and his lawyer is having him withhold that from his statements for some reason at this time. It just doesn't add up that a human being can hear something of that magnitude, make one phone call and never follow up on it. Surely he at least called Sandusky to ask him if it any of it was true? No mention of that in his statement either. I think Paterno has more to say and is being told to keep his mouth shut for the time being. Maybe I'm just being naive.

I'm not sure if it's even Paterno's lawyer that's running this show, which is a problem.

His statement was released by his son, who is A lawyer. Maybe this one requires someone other than your own kid, Joe.

CyBer · 11-07-2011, 03:09 PM

Or maybe Joe did know what was going on and that is why he didn't just call the cops.

**MNCyGuy** · 11-07-2011, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by CyBer

Or maybe Joe did know what was going on and that is why he didn't just call the cops.

Well that would be the obvious elephant in the room.

**cowgirl836** · 11-07-2011, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by cy1010

I can't believe the 28 year old GA didn't think "Hey I should kick the crap out of this guy who is anally raping a 10 year old in the shower." Instead, he though, "I should go home and call my dad."

My first thought was that the GA might be foreign. Because I couldn't figure out why a (assumed to be) 28-year old white male wouldn't do something immediately either.

**MNCyGuy** · 11-07-2011, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by cowgirl836

My first thought was that the GA might be foreign. Because I couldn't figure out why a (assumed to be) 28-year old white male wouldn't do something immediately either.

Because most foreigners or non-white Americans are pro-child rape?

**cowgirl836** · 11-07-2011, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by MNCyGuy

Because most foreigners or non-white Americans are pro-child rape?

No. Because they would be less likely to know our legal system and what the correct course of action should be. That and fear of actions against them by the University for accusing a well-respected, high-ranking person of something pretty horrendous.

Honestly, if I were in another country (heck, probably even when I was at ISU) if I were to witness something like that involving Jamie Pollard or the like, I'd like to think I'd immediately jump in and kick ***. Realistically though, I think I would probably call my husband or parents to a. calm myself down and b. recognize that I do need to report this immediately. Which is what the GA did.

**cy1010** · 11-07-2011, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by cowgirl836

No. Because they would be less likely to know our legal system and what the correct course of action should be. That and fear of actions against them by the University for accusing a well-respected, high-ranking person of something pretty horrendous.

Honestly, if I were in another country (heck, probably even when I was at ISU) if I were to witness something like that involving Jamie Pollard or the like, I'd like to think I'd immediately jump in and kick ***. Realistically though, I think I would probably call my husband or parents to a. calm myself down and b. recognize that I do need to report this immediately. Which is what the GA did.

Is America known abroad for have pro-molestation laws?!

**MNCyGuy** · 11-07-2011, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by cowgirl836

No. Because they would be less likely to know our legal system and what the correct course of action should be. That and fear of actions against them by the University for accusing a well-respected, high-ranking person of something pretty horrendous.

Honestly, if I were in another country (heck, probably even when I was at ISU) if I were to witness something like that involving Jamie Pollard or the like, I'd like to think I'd immediately jump in and kick ***. Realistically though, I think I would probably call my husband or parents to a. calm myself down and b. recognize that I do need to report this immediately. Which is what the GA did.

No, you would call the police.

**cowgirl836** · 11-07-2011, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by cy1010

Is America known abroad for have pro-molestation laws?!

No. I'm obviously wording this all very wrong. *If* this person is in fact, an international student, try putting yourself in their shoes in this situation. Maybe you would still go in and kick *****. I know for me personally, it would probably be so completely shocking that I would not react correctly (going into the shower and asking what the **** is going on here? and then calling the cops). I would likely call someone else first and then report it.

Regardless, it sounds like the GA and the janitor are the only people who did the right thing in this whole situation. And besides the victims, they had the least amount of power and sway as far as getting it moved up the chain and having action taken on it.

**cy1010** · 11-07-2011, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by MNCyGuy

No, you would call the police.

Would you honestly call the police first? Don't you think you'd at least shout at the guy like, "Hey, what are you doing?!" or make a loud coughing noise at least?!

**cowgirl836** · 11-07-2011, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by cy1010

Would you honestly call the police first? Don't you think you'd at least shout at the guy like, "Hey, what are you doing?!" or make a loud coughing noise at least?!

I'd truly like to think that that's how I would react. But a campus late at night as a small, unarmed female? Against a larger male who obviously has something to keep quiet? I just can't be sure that I would do in the moment. But I do know that it would be reported. And I would follow up on it.

**MNCyGuy** · 11-07-2011, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by cy1010

Would you honestly call the police first? Don't you think you'd at least shout at the guy like, "Hey, what are you doing?!" or make a loud coughing noise at least?!

I think you're right. It was more in response to Cowgirl asserting that calling your Dad is a first move that a lot of people would make. At best that seems odd.

**cy1010** · 11-07-2011, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by MNCyGuy

I think you're right. It was more in response to Cowgirl asserting that calling your Dad is a first move that a lot of people would make. At best that seems odd.

Agreed. Parenting fail on the part of that guy's dad.

**cowgirl836** · 11-07-2011, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by MNCyGuy

I think you're right. It was more in response to Cowgirl asserting that calling your Dad is a first move that a lot of people would make. At best that seems odd.

I don't think it would be crazy to think that some people might call someone whose advice and support they trust before making that kind of move. Leveling that kind of accusation at someone when it will essentially be their word against yours (since I doubt the GA knew the kid's name or how to track him down) is bound to have some backlash.