Michigan

**uro cy** · 11-26-2011, 03:33 PM

very lucky to hang on...

**ccyclonepower25** · 11-28-2011, 03:20 PM

Looks like Michigan is in for sure according to this:

Oklahoma State making strides - College Football Nation Blog - ESPN

"Under BCS rules, a team must finish in the top 14 of the final BCS standings to be considered for a BCS at-large berth -- unless there's only one team from its conference in the top 14. So if only one Big Ten team finishes in the top 14 of the final BCS standings, Michigan could still receive an at-large bid as long as it finishes in the top 18."

**Cyclonepride** · 11-28-2011, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by kas4cy

Honestly, I'm not entirely sure 2 Big 10 teams deserve a BCS bowl this year. As weak as the Big 10 is this year, having 8-9 wins doesn't mean you're a good team. Then again, huge fan base, so they would probably be chosen despite how good of a team they are.

The Big 12 deserves 3 before the Big 10 deserves 2.

**alarson** · 11-28-2011, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by ccyclonepower25

Looks like Michigan is in for sure according to this:

Oklahoma State making strides - College Football Nation Blog - ESPN

"Under BCS rules, a team must finish in the top 14 of the final BCS standings to be considered for a BCS at-large berth -- unless there's only one team from its conference in the top 14. So if only one Big Ten team finishes in the top 14 of the final BCS standings, Michigan could still receive an at-large bid as long as it finishes in the top 18."

What the hell kind of rule is that? Making an exception for if your conference sucks you can get 2 bids?

**Tre4ISU** · 11-28-2011, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by alarson

What the hell kind of rule is that? Making an exception for if your conference sucks you can get 2 bids?

That's not right. They have to be in the top 14. The writer is ignorant.

**alarson** · 11-28-2011, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

The Big 12 deserves 3 before the Big 10 deserves 2.

Technically, the big 12 deserves 3 before they deserve 1, according to the rankings. Hell, if it were up to the computers OSU, OU, KSU, and Baylor would get spots before any big 10 team, if you removed auto-bids and just placed by ranking

**Tre4ISU** · 11-28-2011, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

The Big 12 deserves 3 before the Big 10 deserves 2.

Who's your third? KSU isn't BCS worthy IMO and a loss to ISU won't help.

**alarson** · 11-28-2011, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Tre4ISU

Who's your third? KSU isn't BCS worthy IMO and a loss to ISU won't help.

KSU is #6 in the computer rankings, 11 in overall BCS. Much more deserving than any big 10 team.

**Cydkar** · 11-28-2011, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tre4ISU

Who's your third? KSU isn't BCS worthy IMO and a loss to ISU won't help.

KSU is more worthy than Michigan is what he's saying. Even if that isn't "worthy".

When ISU beats them that will no longer be the case.

**Tre4ISU** · 11-28-2011, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by alarson

KSU is #6 in the computer rankings, 11 in overall BCS. Much more deserving than any big 10 team.

Wait until they play this weekend. Unless our defense doesn't show up, they will drop, perhaps by a lot. Big 12 defenses are not very good and the offenses are very good. I have a feeling that a balance will be found when the Big 12 has to play someone with a defense. We should all be happy we won't send a team to the Championship. OKSt would get crushed. Oklahoma would just lose kinda bad. The big 12 is probably the second best conference but they are nowhere near the SEC.

**Tre4ISU** · 11-28-2011, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Cydkar

KSU is more worthy than Michigan is what he's saying. Even if that isn't "worthy".

When ISU beats them that will no longer be the case.

I would agree with that.

The BCS thing is hard because all you have to go off of is what the conference has done against itself and a few OOC games here and there which isn't a good measure because it's a small sample size and it was really early. I think Wisconsin and Michigan would give the B12 teams, even the best, a run for their money. The thing that hurts the Big 12 is the middle is so tough. I mean really, right now, everyone from KSU down, IMO, is a good game. KU is the only real bad team. I suppose you could say that makes the top look better but OSU, I think was a team feasting on bad defenses. I am really worried about the B12 if they get matched up with good defenses.

**KidSilverhair** · 11-28-2011, 03:41 PM

Just noodling around here .. there's 10 BCS spots, right? Fiesta, Sugar, Rose, Orange and the championship. With the automatic conference qualifiers (Big 12, B1G, SEC, ACC, Pac 12 and Big East) there are four at-large spots. Stanford is taking one of those. If Houston wins, they take another. The SEC is definitely getting at least one of the at-larges ... so there's only one in play.

(Unless Georgia wins Saturday. Then they get in as the SEC champion, and most likely LSU and Alabama both still make the championship, which means the BCS is full.)

Okay. How can the Big 12 get that extra BCS spot, over Michigan? Well, if Houston would happen to lose to Southern Mississippi in the C-USA championship, that actually opens up another at-large spot (I don't see Houston getting in the BCS if they don't win the conference). So that could mean Michigan AND another Big 12 team.

How else? Baylor beating Texas would be helpful. Baylor isn't too far behind Michigan in the BCS standings ... a win by the Bears might ensure the Wolverines don't move up to 14. Wisconsin probably needs to beat Michigan State in the B1G title game, as a Wisconsin loss could drop them below Michigan, bumping the Wolverines up a spot (Michigan State is far enough ahead they probably don't fall behind Michigan with a loss).

Aaaand, that's about it. If you're pulling for two Big 12 teams in the BCS, you don't want Georgia to win the SEC, for one. The odds of Michigan moving up to 14 aren't very good, but wins by Baylor and Wisconsin would really help. And should Houston lay an egg, that ought to open up another BCS spot.

That's my noodling, anyway. Not that I have any impact on anything at all ...

**stateofmind** · 11-28-2011, 03:44 PM

What if OU beats OSU in a close game? OU would get the auto-bid, does OSU get the second? If Michigan gets in, ranked 16th in the BCS, this will prove what a horribly pathetic system this is. Michigan would get the nod over Boise, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kansas St, South Carolina, Michigan St, and Georgia.

I would put three SEC before two B1G.
I would easily put KSU in before two B1G. (Wins at Miami, at Texas, home aTm, MU, Tech(ranked at the time), and ISU in this scenario)

**CycloneWarning** · 11-28-2011, 03:49 PM

It really is a shame if the Big 12 only gets one BCS team and the weak Big 10 gets two, but the BCS is a sham, so it will probably happen.

If Baylor wins, they could move ahead of UM, knocking them to 17. But UM will likely move back ahead of Wisky/MSU loser, and Georgia if they lose. But that only puts them at #15, and still on the outside.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out.