Gartner thinks Iowa, ISU should contribute to UNI Athletics

[FarminCy]

Huh? They're still Div I schools are they not? My point was in the list of extreme measures that UNI will have to take, dropping down to Div II comes right after hell freezing over.

I don't believe UNI will be forced to drop the football program but it's at least a possibility. Dropping down to Div II might be the dumbest proposal I've ever seen on this subject. Hell, why not jump down to Div III and compete with Simpson, Central, Coe, etc.

Yes their still D1 but i thought you were trying to compare UNI to them, maybe i misinterpreted.

Agreed that's not happening. I actually think that if their finances don't straighten out that football could be at risk. UNO has shown us that it costs less to have a D1 department with just the bare basics and hockey to fund it than it is to try and have D2 department with football, wrestling, etc and D1 hockey. As state schools try to get athletics off state money i think just about anything is possible.

[ISUChippewa]

Something some ISU fans seem to never get. Just because the hawks stupidly say something wrong, doesnt mean if ISU fans say similar it is wrong as well.

When the hawks have talked about how we're on a different level and dont get anything from playing us, theyve been wrong. We're both BCS level schools, and we both make a boatload of money on the ISU-Iowa game (and that is why it isnt ending).

When ISU says it about UNI, we're right. They are an FCS school. An objective measure that says they are a lower division program than us.

People are so obsessed with not being anything like the hawks, theyre afraid to say the truth sometimes.

I'll preface this by writing that I am a dual ISU/UNI fan, which shouldn't be news to anyone who reads my posts.

I also think that mikem comes off as very abrasive, aggressive, and just plain angry in his responses, which isn't an attitude I care for much, but I do agree with him on some things regarding UNI.

First off, I do think that there is a clear difference between FBS and FCS in regards to football; less scholarships, smaller budgets and stadiums, etc., so I do think you're accurate when you write about "objective measures".

However, IMO the whole label of BCS and what it means isn't nearly as important in basketball as it is in football. There is no such thing as FCS in basketball. Every Division I team, whether it's in a power conference or a "mid-major" gets 13 scholarships to fill. It's a much more equal playing field; that's why you get teams like Butler and VCU in the Final Four last season. That's in part why Lehigh and Norfolk State can beat Duke and Missouri on neutral courts.

I can't speak for him, but I think what mikem was alluding to is the sense of entitlement that Hawk fans have in regards to football against ISU, which in turn can be compared to the sense of entitlement that ISU fans have in regards to basketball against UNI. To me, this sense of entitlement essentially says, "We're Iowa and you're ISU! We're automatically going to beat you...jus' because! Jus' because!!! How dare you compete against us and ocassionally beat us! HOW DARE YOU!!!!! WAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!! WAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!".

That's pretty much the impression I get from reading the "meltdown" threads on here after UNI beats ISU in basketball. This sense of entitlement that gets violated when we lose to such an "inferior" team and the anger that UNI actually has the audacity to compete as hard as they can against us and win. That can't happen "jus' because".

It's a ridiculous and stupid mindset, and it's no less ridiculous and stupid for ISU fans to do it to UNI as it is for Hawk fans, whether Tavern Hok or not, to do it to ISU's fans and our athletic programs.

As to the original post regarding Gartner's thoughts I really can't support what he says, even as a UNI alumni. I wouldn't mind seeing Iowa do it because they can afford to do it much more than ISU can, but I would like to see what happens with UNI's athletic budget after playing at Iowa and Wisconsin next season, along with the closure of the Price School and other cutbacks for the general budget before we (UNI) have to beg other state schools for help.

[Cyclonestate78]

Again, not having a football program like those DIVISION 1 schools is a possibility, even if a remote one.

Dropping down to Division II? Not a possibility.

It makes me wonder how much money UNI is spending each year to keep their football program afloat at the FCS level. At the end of the day UNI is making the decision on how much of their athletics budget they are spending on each of their sports. At some point the finger of blame needs to be pointed at them. If they can't afford to fund their football program at the FCS level then they will have to consider dropping down a level. It shouldn't be up to ISU and Iowa to fund their programs because they are making poor financial decisions with the limited funds that they bring in.

Didn't UNI just a year or two ago nearly double Ben Jacobsen's salary to $450,000 in a 10 year deal that increases $25,000 per year every year? Was that a wise financial decision for them to make? Maybe not.

[Clark]

Yes their still D1 but i thought you were trying to compare UNI to them, maybe i misinterpreted.

Agreed that's not happening. I actually think that if their finances don't straighten out that football could be at risk. UNO has shown us that it costs less to have a D1 department with just the bare basics and hockey to fund it than it is to try and have D2 department with football, wrestling, etc and D1 hockey. As state schools try to get athletics off state money i think just about anything is possible.

Most likely poorly worded on my part but I think we're on the same page now.

The finances won't straighten out by themselves. What they'll do is go completely to the student fees model that many schools use. Basically, they'll budget out what it will cost to run the athletic programs and then charge the students to cover those costs. Students will then be allowed "free" admission to all sporting events on either a first come first serve basis or a lottery system if the seating is limited.

If the schools attendance drops significantly because of this rate increase, then the football program is in trouble.

[ISUFB]

Thank you! Coming from a little brother that is so wrapped up in the mentality that they run to miller's site, I consider it a compliment that you consider us to be so intellectually far apart....

a spent the first 8-9 thousand of the epic conference realignment thread, defending any and everything aggy. The funny part is that he was super critical of mizzu.

The reality is that both of them ****ed up and damaged their programs for the forseeable future...

No **** they screwed the pooch when going to the SEC.
Kind of a well known fact wasn't it?

[CYlent Bob]

Sounds like he is pushing the concept of redistribution of wealth. He is also getting old and probably senile.

That "old & senile" crack was a cheap shot. Gartner's ALWAYS been supportive of redistribution of wealth, even back when he was young.

[cyguytillidie]

I think I should be able to get a Ukrainian wife for half price.

[Cycl1]

I think I should be able to get a Ukrainian wife for half price.

You bring up a good point.

[MeanDean]

Dear Mr. Gartner,

Nowhere is it written, in law or policy, that a person can keep all his own money, that he can’t return some to others — or to one of its fellow regent's school graduates, like Meandean for instance. So Mr. Gartner could — and should — simply tell his bankers to hand over the money to Meandean.

I see how it makes a lot of sense, now.

Dear Mr. Gartner,
Perhaps the Iowa Cubs should give part of their gate proceeds to the Cedar Rapids Kernals. No law against it.

[CyBer]

In gif form.....

I have now changed my mind about Kate Upton, you better have received massive rep for this.


If Kate Upton posted on this board I would give her a massive rep.