Georgia President calls for CFB playoff

[CloneAggie]

Originally Posted by isufbcurt

Well when I did play in 2 bowl games I did treat it like a vacation, when we weren't practicing. I took in the sites and enjoyed the rewards that we earned for a working hard during the season and in the off season. To say the game didn't mean anything to me because I treated the destination like a vacation is retarded. I cared about winning those 2 bowl games as much as I wanted to beat KSU, Nebraska, Iowa or any other team those years. So if in our off-time while on site I wanted to hang out in the pool, go clubbing or site seeing in a place I had never been before I think I EARNED that right.

Had we had the system you want, ISU would have gone 8-3 that year but instead of going to the insight.com bowl we would have been sitting at home and 30,000 ISU fans wouldn't have partied in AZ either.

The picture you're painting of D1 football players makes it seem like they are a bunch of pansies and can't handle the pressure of a playoff system. But the truth is that you don't think they should get the "party time" taken away that they currently get for going to a bowl game. Haven't the basketball players earned that right? Shouldn't they get to spend more time "enjoying" the fruits of their labors? What about the other sports? What makes D1 football players so special?

[isufbcurt]

Originally Posted by CloneAggie

The picture you're painting of D1 football players makes it seem like they are a bunch of pansies and can't handle the pressure of a playoff system. But the truth is that you don't think they should get the "party time" taken away that they currently get for going to a bowl game. Haven't the basketball players earned that right? Shouldn't they get to spend more time "enjoying" the fruits of their labors? What about the other sports? What makes D1 football players so special?

You have a good point. Yes those other sports have earned the right also, I never said D1 football players were special. I said the current system is good for the players and that is one of the main reasons why I feel it should be left how it is.

[diaclone]

Originally Posted by cmoneyr

I say get rid of the "minor bowls" they're useless, and almost universally horrible games with two teams that nobody outside of their immediate circle cares about. Do away with those and you save a lot of time that can be used for playoff games and still not lengthen the season too much. I'd much rather watch the top 8 or 10 teams or whatever play playoff games then watch Tulsa date rape Bowling Green in a "bowl" game.

Can you use a different word choice than "date rape"?

Date rape is serious, a football bowl game is hardly serious.

In brief, that's offensive to use in this manner. Thanks.

[cmoneyr]

So you're reasoning to keep the current system is because it gives the players a chance to relax? Think of it this way, in the playoff system if they want to relax all they have to do it lose and they can watch the rest from home.

[jbing]

Here's how you do it. You do it just like basketball. You take the top 8 based on either the AP poll or a combined AP/Coaches poll. Their ranks are their seeds in the tournament. Each round starts with one of the original 4 BCS bowls. The winners then travel to the site of the National Championship for the "final four" or the BCS National Semifinals. The winner of those games play for the title.



Everyone ranked 9 and lower can have the Cap one, Cotton and SmurfTurf bowls. Every year, the bowls rotate as to which seed plays in which bowl. One year 1 and 8 play the Rose, next year, it's the Sugar and so on.

I don't see how it's so hard.

[cmoneyr]

Originally Posted by diaclone

Can you use a different word choice than "date rape"?

Date rape is serious, a football bowl game is hardly serious.

In brief, that's offensive to use in this manner. Thanks.

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[isufbcurt]

Originally Posted by cmoneyr

So you're reasoning to keep the current system is because it gives the players a chance to relax? Think of it this way, in the playoff system if they want to relax all they have to do it lose and they can watch the rest from home.

Well you aren't gonna change your mind and I am not gonna change mine.

I played in the playoff format in high school and a bowl format in college and from my EXPERIENCE in the two I choose the bowl format.


But one last question would you have prefered the 2000 8-3 ISU team to stay home under a playoff format rather than going to a "minor" bowl?

[jdewaard]

The ones who are blocking a playoff are the Big Ten and Pac-10 commissioners, the Rose Bowl committee, and the university presidents who are beholden to the "good old boys" network that still supports the old bowl structure.

I agree whole heartedly. If you recall, the Rose Bowl people were big objectors to the BCS when it was introduced, for fear that the matchup would not always be Big 10 vs Pac 10.
Now don't get me wrong, I think that tradition is part of what makes college football so great, but letting tradition stand in the way of fairness and accuracy is just a joke.

[peachy]

Originally Posted by jbing

Here's how you do it. You do it just like basketball. You take the top 8 based on either the AP poll or a combined AP/Coaches poll. Their ranks are their seeds in the tournament. Each round starts with one of the original 4 BCS bowls. The winners then travel to the site of the National Championship for the "final four" or the BCS National Semifinals. The winner of those games play for the title.



Everyone ranked 9 and lower can have the Cap one, Cotton and SmurfTurf bowls. Every year, the bowls rotate as to which seed plays in which bowl. One year 1 and 8 play the Rose, next year, it's the Sugar and so on.

I don't see how it's so hard.

Amen to this quote. It should not be that hard. You keep the major bowls, while still implementing a true champion. If you want to keep the Houston Bowl, you still can.

I am very glad the president of Georgia spoke up. If we really want to change the system, universities speaking up will be the only way it will happen. To many "good ole boys" running the game. The current system is laughable. 3 out of the 4 BCS games were not within 20 points. The title game had LSU up 21 with about 2 minutes left. Stop leaving matchups to computers and conference tie-ins. Play an eight team tournament, and let the teams decide who is the national champion, not who has the wealthiest boosters.

Will the #9 team be upset? You bet. But the #66 team in basketball is upset they did not get in every year too, but you never hear any complaints about that tournament.

[cmoneyr]

Originally Posted by isufbcurt

Well you aren't gonna change your mind and I am not gonna change mine.

I played in the playoff format in high school and a bowl format in college and from my EXPERIENCE in the two I choose the bowl format.


But one last question would you have prefered the 2000 8-3 ISU team to stay home under a playoff format rather than going to a "minor" bowl?

Was it cool for ISU to go to a bowl game? Yes. Does it really mean anything in the grand scheme of things to go to the Independence Bowl or the Insight.com bowl? Probably not.

I understand that the bowl system is better because players don't have to play more games. But it does nothing to determine who the champion is. Why do you want to bust your *** the entire season for it to end up "well, I guess you and you are two good teams so you can play for the championship." I just don't think we should stick with this system because it makes the players feel good.

[isufbcurt]

Originally Posted by cmoneyr

Was it cool for ISU to go to a bowl game? Yes. Does it really mean anything in the grand scheme of things to go to the Independence Bowl or the Insight.com bowl? Probably not.

I understand that the bowl system is better because players don't have to play more games. But it does nothing to determine who the champion is. Why do you want to bust your *** the entire season for it to end up "well, I guess you and you are two good teams so you can play for the championship." I just don't think we should stick with this system because it makes the players feel good.

Yes I do think it meant alot in the grand scheme of things for ISU football. For a program that has pretty much no winning history and very little participation in bowl games those games were huge.

As for determining the true champion, imo the BCS has done a pretty good job of that since its inception. I can not say I would argue with any of the champions in its years. Even this year, I was the biggest LSU skeptic, but I feel they are the best team in the country.

[Clonefan94]

Originally Posted by cmoneyr

You don't need 30 or 40 teams to determine the best in the country. If, by the end of the season you're not somewhere in the top lets say 15 but probably more like 10-12, you're not the best in the country. I think you could safely get rid of half the bowls and still have enough slots for deserving teams that don't make the playoffs. I don't think a 6-6 record should warrant a bowl game to begin with.

You're missing my point. Personally, if you are going to narrow the entire college football season down to even 16 teams at the end of the year and that is it, I vote for just picking a national champion. That's what you are talking about anyway. As much as I harped on Illinois this year for getting into the rose bowl, who knows. I think college football is about the Bowl games, even the lesser ones. I have no problem with a play-off just so long as it doesn't take a bowl away from the Cyclones when we get back to our winning ways. I had a great time Cheering for the Clones Pheonix and a Great time in Shreveport. No way would I ever trade those Bowl game experiences to find out at the end of the year weather Georgia, LSU, OU, or OSU deserved the NC. Personally, I don't see the point. I wake up in the morning and I still have to go to work. If the Clones make a bowl game, I don't have to go to work because I take vacation and go watch them play. That's what I like and that's what I think college football is about. Plus, if people think the fat get fatter now, with the current system, wait until we are only picking 8-16 teams a year to play in the off season. Honestly, without a huge profit sharing for the rest of division 1, you'd see a lot of teams folding.

The bowl system is about fans going to the destinations and spending money. That's why they exist. Not that people wouldn't go to the playoff games, but, no way you get 20,000 - 30,000 fans from each school going to every game. Then you get into not traveling and having home and away games. Add an extra 2 or 3 games at home for tOSU to rake in $70/ticket for another 110,000 people? While the rest of the country does what, wish they were OSU? Sorry, for me, if it means the loss of something to look forward to every football season, count me out.

EDIT Plus, in some ways, isn't having a play-off/tournament about getting some cinderella stories in there? I mean if you are just going to pick the best every year, really, what's the point. To me, what I love about the NCAA BBall tourney, is the upsets. The little guys coming in and getting to the 16 or 8. I'm sorry, but, seeing the same 10 teams duke it out every year with a couple other good teams thrown in just doesn't interest me enough If I lose the other bowls.

[LindenCy]

As crazy as it sounds, I wouldn't mind going back to bowls pre-BCS. Have less bowls and get rid of all this crap.

[cmoneyr]

Originally Posted by Clonefan94

You're missing my point. Personally, if you are going to narrow the entire college football season down to even 16 teams at the end of the year and that is it, I vote for just picking a national champion. That's what you are talking about anyway. As much as I harped on Illinois this year for getting into the rose bowl, who knows. I think college football is about the Bowl games, even the lesser ones. I have no problem with a play-off just so long as it doesn't take a bowl away from the Cyclones when we get back to our winning ways. I had a great time Cheering for the Clones Pheonix and a Great time in Shreveport. No way would I ever trade those Bowl game experiences to find out at the end of the year weather Georgia, LSU, OU, or OSU deserved the NC. Personally, I don't see the point. I wake up in the morning and I still have to go to work. If the Clones make a bowl game, I don't have to go to work because I take vacation and go watch them play. That's what I like and that's what I think college football is about. Plus, if people think the fat get fatter now, with the current system, wait until we are only picking 8-16 teams a year to play in the off season. Honestly, without a huge profit sharing for the rest of division 1, you'd see a lot of teams folding.

The bowl system is about fans going to the destinations and spending money. That's why they exist. Not that people wouldn't go to the playoff games, but, no way you get 20,000 - 30,000 fans from each school going to every game. Then you get into not traveling and having home and away games. Add an extra 2 or 3 games at home for tOSU to rake in $70/ticket for another 110,000 people? While the rest of the country does what, wish they were OSU? Sorry, for me, if it means the loss of something to look forward to every football season, count me out.

EDIT Plus, in some ways, isn't having a play-off/tournament about getting some cinderella stories in there? I mean if you are just going to pick the best every year, really, what's the point. To me, what I love about the NCAA BBall tourney, is the upsets. The little guys coming in and getting to the 16 or 8. I'm sorry, but, seeing the same 10 teams duke it out every year with a couple other good teams thrown in just doesn't interest me enough If I lose the other bowls.

The parity in college football is a lot less than in basketball. Even in basketball how often do lower rated teams win a championship? 16 teams would be plenty to decide who should be the champions. Take this year for example, if we took the top 16 teams who do we leave out that had a legitimate shot at the title?

I agree it was great for the program to go to their bowl games. But in the present what does it really mean? Does anyone really think "Insight.com bowl champion" Iowa State Cyclones when they think of our program? No, but if we won the Orange bowl you're more likely to refer to that. The lower bowls mean nothing a year or 2 after they're over, they're throw away bowls.

[Iastfan112]

I'm fine with the way it is, even if you go to a 8 team playoff taking this year into account you'd end up with a similar problem, instead of Georgia complaining they got screwed, you'd have West Virginia, Hawaii, Arizona St. and Florida complaining(based of the polls immediately preceding the bowl games).