Pac10 expansion (includes opinions of BigXII teams)

keepngoal · 07-02-2008, 02:22 PM

I say kick out CU and put in kNUstate.

oh... wait... nm.

-keep

ISUFan22 · 07-02-2008, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

It seems to me like the travel budget would be cost-prohibitive for any Texas team joining the Pac-10. Also, the two hour time difference between Texas and the west coast would be a pain. Don't see it happening...

I agree.

jbhtexas · 07-02-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by flander1649

TCU or CSU

I think TCU is too small, and not prestigious enough on the academic/research side for the Big 12.

One darkhorse school to keep an eye on for future Big 12 expansion is UT Arlington. Presently, they have 25,000 students and are strong academically and in research. They are also swimming in Barnett Shale natural gas money, so upgrades and expansion are going on all over campus.

Naturally, UTA would need to bring FB back, which is a huge hurdle. But with the new Cowboys stadium right in their back yard, they wouldn't have to worry about facilities, if they could work out a deal with Jerry. A study was conducted a couple of years ago about bringing FB back, but I don't know where it stands. Money won't be a problem...

keepngoal · 07-02-2008, 02:46 PM

Maybe Iowa would join.

Nevermind... I will go walk off a cliff.

-keep

EggMcClone · 07-02-2008, 03:09 PM

So, those are the numbers. To wrap up, if BYU and Utah are invited, the conference could be split in a way that gives all schools access to the Southern California market as well as accenting the conference's rivalries.
University Division
Washington, Oregon, Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Utah
State Division
WSU, OSU, Stanford, USC, ASU, BYU

I was with him until he created these divisions. Why would you split up pretty much every single rivalry?

Cyclone_Grav · 07-02-2008, 03:12 PM

i dont know what level of research a university has to have for the big 12, but some schools of interest to me would be: Arkansas, Memphis, Houston, Rice, TCU, and the New Mexico schools.

jdewaard · 07-02-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclone_Grav

i dont know what level of research a university has to have for the big 12, but some schools of interest to me would be: Arkansas, Memphis, Houston, Rice, TCU, and the New Mexico schools.

Why aren't the New Mexico Schools being mentioned? Albuquerque is nearly a million people, and it's a state that is growing rapidly. Seems like the Pac 10 could do much worse.

nj829 · 07-02-2008, 03:32 PM

The Arkansas fans normally spend the entire year complaining about how they would win the Big 12 each year in football, but since they play in the big bad SEC, they don't have as good of a chance. Would love to see them added to the Big 12 just to shut them up. I rank them right up there in a tie with some other fanbases for ego.

Tornado man · 07-02-2008, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclone_Grav

i dont know what level of research a university has to have for the big 12, but some schools of interest to me would be: Arkansas, Memphis, Houston, Rice, TCU, and the New Mexico schools.

Of the schools on your list, Rice is the clear choice to benefit the Big XII academically, and to add to the conference's image. They are on a par with Stanford, Vanderbilt, Northwestern.

Knownothing · 07-02-2008, 03:49 PM

UNLV is a sleeping Giant.

If they go to the Pac 10 I would pencil there basketball team in as National Champs about every 4 years.

ornryactor · 07-02-2008, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

Of the schools on your list, Rice is the clear choice to benefit the Big XII academically, and to add to the conference's image. They are on a par with Stanford, Vanderbilt, Northwestern.

Really? Because the only image that comes to mind when I think of Rice is their embarrassingly bad football stadium and campus, all of it in shambles. Maybe I'm wrong, but Rice just doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the Big XII. With the exception of Baylor (who only made it in because of Texas state politics), we're all huge Research I state schools.

Besides, if we add yet another team from the South, how do we redivide the conference? One of the Oklahoma schools would have to go North. It would pretty much have to be OSU, since UO would pitch a fit if they couldn't play the Red River Shootout every year, but OSU has been utilizing a pretty major case of 'short man syndrome' to get its way recently.

Frankly, I think it's a moot point- I don't see the Big XII losing or adding teams for quite a long time, if ever. Unless one of the other huge BCS conferences (especially the Big 10 or SEC) implodes, geography alone keeps us pretty secure, not to mention politics and money.

sunset · 07-02-2008, 04:07 PM

San Diego St. has been mentioned for years, and makes a lot of sense. If they could get into a major conference they could actually take advantage of all the local talent that currently goes primarily to Pac-10 schools.

Tornado man · 07-02-2008, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by ornryactor

Really? Because the only image that comes to mind when I think of Rice is their embarrassingly bad football stadium and campus, all of it in shambles. Maybe I'm wrong, but Rice just doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the Big XII. With the exception of Baylor (who only made it in because of Texas state politics), we're all huge Research I state schools.

Besides, if we add yet another team from the South, how do we redivide the conference? One of the Oklahoma schools would have to go North. It would pretty much have to be OSU, since UO would pitch a fit if they couldn't play the Red River Shootout every year, but OSU has been utilizing a pretty major case of 'short man syndrome' to get its way recently.

Frankly, I think it's a moot point- I don't see the Big XII losing or adding teams for quite a long time, if ever. Unless one of the other huge BCS conferences (especially the Big 10 or SEC) implodes, geography alone keeps us pretty secure, not to mention politics and money.

Yes, really. Check the US News rankings, for starters. Rice is a school of Ivy League stature - I simply think what the Big XII is missing is the school of that type that all of the other major conferences have, and we don't.
However, do they add to the conference financially? No, unless an argument could me made that the Rice following in Houston is large.
But these other schools mentioned - Memphis, TCU, Houston, the New Mexico schools, San Diego St. - are all a level below academically compared to our current Big XII members. I want to get closer to the image of the Big Ten and Pac-10 - not further away.

sunset · 07-02-2008, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

Yes, really. Check the US News rankings, for starters. Rice is a school of Ivy League stature - I simply think what the Big XII is missing is the school of that type that all of the other major conferences have, and we don't.
However, do they add to the conference financially? No, unless an argument could me made that the Rice following in Houston is large.
But these other schools mentioned - Memphis, TCU, Houston, the New Mexico schools, San Diego St. - are all a level below academically compared to our current Big XII members. I want to get closer to the image of the Big Ten and Pac-10 - not further away.

I mentioned San Diego St. in reference to the Pac10. I agree that they would not make sense for the Big12.

Tornado man · 07-02-2008, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by sunset

I mentioned San Diego St. in reference to the Pac10. I agree that they would not make sense for the Big12.

San Diego State is really in an unstable situation right now - the Chuck Long hire has been a disaster, and many on campus are demanding a shut-down of the football prgram because of the money they are losing. Why can't they win at a place like that, considering their conference competition?