Pac10 expansion (includes opinions of BigXII teams)

Transient · 07-02-2008, 04:46 PM

Any chance on stealing LSU and Arkansas from the SEC, and keeping them east of the Mississippi?

jdoggivjc · 07-02-2008, 04:57 PM

It's going to be one of these schools:
Utah, Colorado St., UNLV, New Mexico, BYU, or Fresno St.

sunset · 07-02-2008, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

San Diego State is really in an unstable situation right now - the Chuck Long hire has been a disaster, and many on campus are demanding a shut-down of the football prgram because of the money they are losing. Why can't they win at a place like that, considering their conference competition?

I wouldn't say many are demanding a shut down, it's more a very vocal minority who had there say and were sent packing by the administration. The football program is a mess, but joining the Pac-10 would solve most of those woes. San Diego produces a ton of top-level talent, none of whom want to play in the Mountain West Conference (or whatever they are called). SDSU is really considered a "sleeping giant" because of all the local talent and desireable location.

sunset · 07-02-2008, 05:08 PM

Having said that, I think it would be academics that would keep SDSU out of the Pac. The Cal State system schools aren't big time research universities.

Tornado man · 07-02-2008, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by sunset

I wouldn't say many are demanding a shut down, it's more a very vocal minority who had there say and were sent packing by the administration. The football program is a mess, but joining the Pac-10 would solve most of those woes. San Diego produces a ton of top-level talent, none of whom want to play in the Mountain West Conference (or whatever they are called). SDSU is really considered a "sleeping giant" because of all the local talent and desireable location.

I know that Chuck Long - and Bobby Elliott - are taking a lot of heat, and attendance is way down. With the right coaching staff, they should be a monster!

ornryactor · 07-02-2008, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Transient

Any chance on stealing LSU and Arkansas from the SEC, and keeping them east of the Mississippi?

Huh?

You're not making any sense.

Transient · 07-03-2008, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by ornryactor

Huh?

You're not making any sense.

Sorry meant stealing LSU and ARk. from the SEC and keeping SEC east of the Mississippi, hehe.

MontyBurns · 07-03-2008, 12:26 PM

Should Colorado leave, the replacement would be one of the old Southwest Conference schools that got hosed when the SWC & Big 8 merged -- Arkansas, Houston, Rice, SMU, or TCU. And it won't be Arkansas -- the SEC has much more lucrative TV deals and bowl tie-ins than the Big 12 does.

jdoggivjc · 07-03-2008, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by MontyBurns

Should Colorado leave, the replacement would be one of the old Southwest Conference schools that got hosed when the SWC & Big 8 merged -- Arkansas, Houston, Rice, SMU, or TCU. And it won't be Arkansas -- the SEC has much more lucrative TV deals and bowl tie-ins than the Big 12 does.

Arkansas wasn't hosed - they left for the SEC at least one year before the collapse of the SWC. And even if they were left out of the Big XII mix, I'd hardly call joining the SEC getting "hosed"...

MontyBurns · 07-03-2008, 10:02 PM

What I meant was that of SWC conference schools that were not included in the Big 12, the ones that got hosed were Houston, Rice, SMU, and TCU. If the Big 12 ever has an opening, those four would be at the top of the list to get in.

CyBobby · 07-04-2008, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by cardinal&gold

Let's say Colorado does leave the Big 12. Who do we go after to replace them?

Arkansas....Texas Christain ...or even Houston would be good fits for the conference.

It would keep the geographic thrust of the conference where it should be.

ornryactor · 07-04-2008, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by CyBobby

Arkansas....Texas Christain ...or even Houston would be good fits for the conference.

It would keep the geographic thrust of the conference where it should be.

But it still doesn't change the problems created by adding yet another southern team. If you add any schools south of the state of Oklahoma because you lost a South team, then they basically kick OSU out of the South and into the North, and OSU will NOT stand for that. The geographic imbalance alone is why I'm positive they would go after a northern team, probably Colorado State. If we're adding teams without losing any of the existing 12, they would either go with a North-South pair, or they would add 2 new South teams and move both UO and OSU to the North.

Tornado man · 07-04-2008, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by ornryactor

But it still doesn't change the problems created by adding yet another southern team. If you add any schools south of the state of Oklahoma because you lost a South team, then they basically kick OSU out of the South and into the North, and OSU will NOT stand for that. The geographic imbalance alone is why I'm positive they would go after a northern team, probably Colorado State. If we're adding teams without losing any of the existing 12, they would either go with a North-South pair, or they would add 2 new South teams and move both UO and OSU to the North.

Let's say that we add a northern team - it sure won't be Colorado State. They add nothing to the conference in terms of revenue, with their MAC-type football stadium. They would be another team (like ISU, K-State, Colo., Baylor, etc.) that take more out of the Big XII pot than they put into it. The big boys in our conference wouldn't stand for it.
On the other hand, BYU or Utah both have much larger athletic programs and fan followings than CSU, and would enhance the Big XII.

ornryactor · 07-04-2008, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

Let's say that we add a northern team - it sure won't be Colorado State. They add nothing to the conference in terms of revenue, with their MAC-type football stadium. They would be another team (like ISU, K-State, Colo., Baylor, etc.) that take more out of the Big XII pot than they put into it. The big boys in our conference wouldn't stand for it.
On the other hand, BYU or Utah both have much larger athletic programs and fan followings than CSU, and would enhance the Big XII.

I was going off the assumption that BYU and Utah would both be gone already, as an expansion of the Pac-10. The Pac-10 is way more likely to expand (and sooner) than the Big XII is, and short of stealing some Texas teams from us, you can pretty much assume they'd take the BYU/Utah pairing, since it fits all of their criteria. That doesn't leave us with a whole lot to choose from. All four Dakotas and both Montanas are definitely out of the question. If you get rid of Colorado State as well, the only viable option is Wyoming. That would actually kinda make sense. They're a well-respected Research I school, it's a new market, everyone in the whole state (not a lot of people, but neither is Nebraska) follows their teams because it's the only university in the state, it fits geographically, and they have the budget and past successes to justify their case for inclusion. The only downside is a small (but nice) football stadium (37,000) but that can be pretty easily expanded up to Big XII level, from the looks of it.

EggMcClone · 07-04-2008, 01:18 PM

Financially BYU or Utah would make a lot more sense unless they thought that adding CSU would keep the Denver market but they barely care about CU as it is. If we had to add another Texas school I think TCU is head and shoulders above the others but they don't really add anything to the conference.