Still want Tim Brewster?

[RyCy04]

Chizik will get it done, I have faith.

Faith is a fact (facet)!!
**From the blooper reel**

[ketelmeister]

Not Brewster, but I really wish we would have given Brian Kelley a sniff.

Kelly is always looking for the next best gig. I don't like people without any commitment.

[cybsball20]

Kelly is always looking for the next best gig. I don't like people without any commitment.

Are any of Kelly's recruits actually contributing yet? Dantoni had that program skyrocketing, it would take a fail of Zook like proportions to ruin that...

[ketelmeister]

I'd take going from 1-11 in Year 1 to 7-5 in Year 2 in a heartbeat. I don't see how anyone can be trashing Brewster at all for what he did.

He took huge steps forwards, we took steps backwards.

I'm happy with Gene Chizik as our coach but to bash Brewster is stupid.

Brewster took over a team that had been to five straight bowl games, top 25 recruiting classes under Mason and blew them up his first year, and won seven his next with a weak schedule. Mason won 7-8 every year. Now Brewster wants to do a total makeover of his team.

[Clones85']

Are any of Kelly's recruits actually contributing yet? Dantoni had that program skyrocketing, it would take a fail of Zook like proportions to ruin that...

What are you talking about?!? Ron Zook is a REALLY good coach!

[StLouisClone]

Brewster took over a team that had been to five straight bowl games, top 25 recruiting classes under Mason and blew them up his first year, and won seven his next with a weak schedule. Mason won 7-8 every year. Now Brewster wants to do a total makeover of his team.

You are correct. Brewster went 1-11 with a team that went to a bowl game the previous year. Brewster and Kelly both inherited better players than what Chizik inherited. If Brewster can turn things around quickly in terms of W/Ls, Chizik can too but he needs to fill some holes on defense. I like the fact that ISU didn't lose to anyone 55-0 this year.

Mason
2002 Minnesota 8-5
2003 Minnesota 10-3
2004 Minnesota 7-5
2005 Minnesota 7-5
2006 Minnesota 6-7
Winning percentage = 60.3%

Dantonio
2004 Cincinnati 7-5
2005 Cincinnati 4-7
2006 Cincinnati 7-5
Winning percentage = 51.4%

McCarney
2002 Iowa State 7-7
2003 Iowa State 2-10
2004 Iowa State 7-5
2005 Iowa State 7-5
2006 Iowa State 4-8
Winning percentage = 43.5%

[ketelmeister]

Mason will be a good hire for someone. He had no personality, but knows how to win with programs that are not in the top echelon. He did that at Kansas as well.

[Wesley]

Check out Minny's Schedule this year. I would love to play this.

N. Illinois
at Bowling Green
Montana St
Florida ATL
@Ohio St
Indiana
@Illinois
BYE
@Purdue
Northwestern
Michigan
@Wisconsin
Iowa

BYE might be a tough matchup even for Tim. Bye.

[wartknight]

If its possible to look back at the search time, you'll see I was hugely on the Kelley bandwagon. I know several guys that coached with him and he's a good guy.
I have nothing against Chizik, I just wish BK would have got a sniff. He's won everywhere he's been, as a HEAD coach.

[Clone9]

I don't want Brewster, I'm very confident in Chizik.

But I do want 7 wins. And I don't care who they are against.

[flynnhicks03]

If its possible to look back at the search time, you'll see I was hugely on the Kelley bandwagon. I know several guys that coached with him and he's a good guy.
I have nothing against Chizik, I just wish BK would have got a sniff. He's won everywhere he's been, as a HEAD coach.

I'm a Chizik fan, but at some point, I would love to see Steve Loney back at Iowa State in some capacity. I really think he's a brilliant offensive mind and he put together some amazing offensive lines.

[Bipolarcy]

Not sure why anyone would be thinking about who we should have gotten as a coach. Last time I checked we have a pretty great coach right now.

What makes you say that? His 5-19 record to date or the times the team looked unprepared (UNLV comes to mind first and foremost, but it's certainly not the only time), or the stellar recruiting where his best class so far has been ranked 62nd, one place above Mac's worst class?

[cybsball20]

What makes you say that? His 5-19 record to date or the times the team looked unprepared (UNLV comes to mind first and foremost, but it's certainly not the only time), or the stellar recruiting where his best class so far has been ranked 62nd, one place above Mac's worst class?

If those classes were so stellar then why are so many Freshmen and Sophs having to play? I will show you two good reasons we haven't won games and I saw this coming two years ago when we failed to adress needs on the lines...

Defensive Line recruiting
2006
Austin AlburtisDE6-22604.75.4 Dallas, TX
Collins EbohDE6-4250-- Mason City, IA
Nate FrereDT6-22705.15.4 Muscatine, IA
Patrick NealDE6-02254.755.4West Des Moines, IA
John RichardsonDT6-12454.615.3Humble, TX
2005
Stephon DaleDE6-3230-5.0 Fort Myers, FL
Eric SchultzDE6-52254.915.3 Beaver Dam, WI
Thomas PattonDE6-42804.8- San Francisco, CA
John MachadoDE6-32404.7- Fulton, MS
Stephon DaleDE6-3230-5.0 Fort Myers, FL

How many guys there are solid, Big XII starting defensive linemen? How many are playing?

We can go over the offensive line and Dbacks later...

[cycloneML]

can he score inside the red zone?

[Bipolarcy]

If those classes were so stellar then why are so many Freshmen and Sophs having to play? I will show you two good reasons we haven't won games and I saw this coming two years ago when we failed to adress needs on the lines...

Defensive Line recruiting
2006
Austin AlburtisDE6-22604.75.4 Dallas, TX
Collins EbohDE6-4250-- Mason City, IA
Nate FrereDT6-22705.15.4 Muscatine, IA
Patrick NealDE6-02254.755.4West Des Moines, IA
John RichardsonDT6-12454.615.3Humble, TX
2005
Stephon DaleDE6-3230-5.0 Fort Myers, FL
Eric SchultzDE6-52254.915.3 Beaver Dam, WI
Thomas PattonDE6-42804.8- San Francisco, CA
John MachadoDE6-32404.7- Fulton, MS
Stephon DaleDE6-3230-5.0 Fort Myers, FL

How many guys there are solid, Big XII starting defensive linemen? How many are playing?

We can go over the offensive line and Dbacks later...

I never said Mac's classes were stellar, for one thing. They obviously weren't. But if we are hanging our hopes on recruiting to turn this thing around, 62nd isn't going to get it done. This year's class will likely be ranked lower. It's at 74th right now.

Having said that, every program experiences turnover with recruits. We're starting to see the same thing with Chizik with Bates leaving and rumors that others are having second thoughts as well. And I recognize they are just rumors, but they come from a pretty good source.

Of the guys you listed, it's pretty obvious to see who's contributing and who's not. But the thing you're missing is that the majority of them never stuck with the program. That's turnover. The program (coaching staff) is partly to blame for that, but not totally. Once again, every program experiences turnover. Mac just had a lot of it his final two years.

Eric Schultz was injured and had to quit football. Eboh couldn't get the academics down. Stephon Dale had promise (you listed him twice, by the way), but he either got homesick, had off-field issues or academic issues. I'm not sure what the story was with him.

Patton was just a flat out evaluation miss, a big-time bust. Machado contributed some, but not much. I expect Martin will be another Machado. John Richardson also showed promise but left for some reason. Patrick Neal, of course, was switched to TE/HB because he's really not big enough to play DE. He's been contributing, especially later in the season. And Frere and Alburtis are also contributing, one as a starter and one as a backup.

But again, I wasn't defending Mac's recruiting. He obviously didn't get the job done on some of his classes. But I don't see much improvement with this staff. Sure a lot of youngsters are playing, but some of that has to be attributed, not to talent, but to need. We need them to play because of all the defections we've had.