Eustachy not driven to drink

**CyinCo** · 12-11-2008, 08:29 AM

Larry has 3 juniors and a senior starting along with 1 sophmore. Losing only 1 starter could leave him with an experienced team next season. It will be interesting to see if they could ever make the tourney.

**GeronimusClone** · 12-11-2008, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by CyinCo

You can't help those who don't want help. I doubt Larry was wanting help until everything hit the fan. There are ah-ha type moments in life and him getting called out and losing his job motivated him to change. There wasn't anything ISU could do prior to that without LE wanting to help himself.

True, if his picture never got plastered on the DSM Register or the firing that ensued, he'd still be partying with coeds to this day.

**iowast8fan** · 12-11-2008, 08:52 AM

There have been many studies done and none have shown any remote evidence that substance addiction is hereditary. If many family members have the same problems, it is likely because of the environment they are raised. If you grow up seeing heavy drinking, you grow to accept it as norm.

Alcohol was a constant part of my families life. My parents had a constant keg tapped in the house and drank at least 1 pitcher of beer for dinner every night. For lent they gave up drinking (except on Sundays). When anybody came to visit, the first question was "do you want a beer". A vacuum salesman came to our house and he was instantly sitting with us drinking beer on the job. My parents could be very persuasive when it comes to alcohol. I brought a 16 year old date home while in high school, and my parents offered her a beer. This seems like cool parents to a small town kid in high school, but when I left the small town and started hanging out with other adults after college, I began to realize that this is not a normal lifestyle. Until this realization, I thought it was perfectly normal to drink as often as they do. I still drink more than I should when I go back home to visit. What I am trying to say is, environment has a large impact on drinnking behavior. It is not genetic. It is not an illness or disease. It is a choice. Illness and disease can result from this choice. Kidney failure is a disease that can be directly related to alcoholism, but the alcoholism itself is not a disease.

Anyone that calls it an illness or disease is simply trying to justify their poor choices and make themselves feel better because they had no choice in the matter. If it is a diagnosed disease, that takes some of the blame off the person with the problem.

**Jerry1982** · 12-11-2008, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by iowast8fan

There have been many studies done and none have shown any remote evidence that substance addiction is hereditary. What I am trying to say is, environment has a large impact on drinnking behavior. It is not genetic. It is not an illness or disease. It is a choice. Illness and disease can result from this choice. Kidney failure is a disease that can be directly related to alcoholism, but the alcoholism itself is not a disease.

Anyone that calls it an illness or disease is simply trying to justify their poor choices and make themselves feel better because they had no choice in the matter. If it is a diagnosed disease, that takes some of the blame off the person with the problem.

Well... I was gonna link some studies to you, but I couldn't decide which ones to use as every study I accessed disputes your anti-gentic logic. There are many out there and I won't insult you by showing you, look them up for yourself.

I agree though that environment is a huge factor, probably larger than the genetic disposition. Good luck dealing with your family's issues.

**iowast8fan** · 12-11-2008, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Jerry1982

Well... I was gonna link some studies to you, but I couldn't decide which ones to use as every study I accessed disputes your anti-gentic logic. There are many out there and I won't insult you by showing you, look them up for yourself.

I agree though that environment is a huge factor, probably larger than the genetic disposition. Good luck dealing with your family's issues.

This is a case of nature vs. nurture. It is difficult to perform this type of study because the subject would have to have been isolated from his substance abusing parents his entire life to avoid a counter-arguement that the offsping's addiction is related to the environement in which he was raised.

There have been studies that point to a gene responsible for high levels of anxiety. They argue that this causes alcoholism. The abuser still made that choice to drink rather than using another method to control the anxiety. Every case for genetic disposition can be countered. I will yield to the studies that show a genetic link to anxiety or a lack of endorphins, and I will admit that alcohol consumption could be increased as a way of dealing with these problems. However, there are other solutions, and none of these studies actually link directly to alcoholism. I stand with my arguement that alcoholism is mostly associated with social atmosphere.

**ISUFan22** · 12-11-2008, 10:16 AM

Good for Larry.

I wonder if BVD will come in here with his smugness and tell us it was the right thing to do - letting Larry hang out to dry publicly - not to mention making ISU look much worse.

**cycloneworld** · 12-11-2008, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

I wonder if BVD will come in here with his smugness and tell us it was the right thing to do - letting Larry hang out to dry publicly - not to mention making ISU look much worse.

Or not taking care of this MONTHS before when he found out about it. I don't think the AD could have handled the situation any worse than he did.

**ISUFan22** · 12-11-2008, 10:59 AM

Right. I disliked BVD then, but I have much stronger feelings of dislike now because of certain actions.

**iowast8fan** · 12-11-2008, 11:03 AM

BVD is a tool. nuff said.

I wonder where ISU basketball would be if Eustacy had taken control of his alcohol problem much earlier in his life. I can definitely see how the State of Iowa environment could drive a University coach to drink. No pro sports in the state and all attention and pressure is compounded on the college level.

**Tornado man** · 12-11-2008, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Good for Larry.

I wonder if BVD will come in here with his smugness and tell us it was the right thing to do - letting Larry hang out to dry publicly - not to mention making ISU look much worse.

Uh, BVD tried to take care of it privately, but LE lied to him. Not much else you can do when someone's not being honest with you...

**intrepid27** · 12-11-2008, 11:07 AM

I'm very happy for Larry and I still think he is a great coach. I'm not putting down MacD but if Eustachy wanted to come back to ISU tomorrow I would welcome him. I predict he will coach a team to the sweet sixteen or better in the next 5-7 years.

**cyclonepower** · 12-11-2008, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by intrepid27

I'm very happy for Larry and I still think he is a great coach. I'm not putting down MacD but if Eustachy wanted to come back to ISU tomorrow I would welcome him. I predict he will coach a team to the sweet sixteen or better in the next 5-7 years.

I would disagree...if you have seen his So. Miss team play you would know.

**ISUFan22** · 12-11-2008, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

Uh, BVD tried to take care of it privately, but LE lied to him. Not much else you can do when someone's not being honest with you...

Two things...

A. Source?
B. Even if true - so BVD let ISU take a huge fall to spite Larry? Way to go, BVD.

Maybe he'll shed some light on this for us and rip on Pollard while he's at it.

Originally Posted by intrepid27

Iif Eustachy wanted to come back to ISU tomorrow I would welcome him.

Don't agree with this.

**CycloneErik** · 12-11-2008, 11:24 AM

I think he would need Tinsley to be successful. His real success has only been with Tinsley playing. I don't think we want the Tinsley influence at this point, although he would probably have the time on his hands.

**Tornado man** · 12-11-2008, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Two things...

A. Source?
B. Even if true - so BVD let ISU take a huge fall to spite Larry? Way to go, BVD.

When the Mizzou party photos orignally got into BVD's hands (well prior to the DMR publishing them), he confronted LE, who lied and told Bruce he was at a "restaurant" and was asked by fans to take pictures with them. DMR articles at the time document this. Check the archives if you want.