Well youn guys were right the Big 10......

**TykeClone** · 01-02-2009, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by joberman1

sweet were not last

We'd have to lose 700 games in a row to get there!

(and assume Florida International doesn't improve their win percentage)

**cmhawks99** · 01-02-2009, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by IcSyU

There is a such thing as hitting it too fast and not letting things develop however (see Michael Bennett: Minnesota Vikings)

Very, very true and on a side note I really enjoy these kids of threads.

Chad

**cmhawks99** · 01-02-2009, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by bmuff

The TE that you are talking about was basically playing in his first game at ISU. He got a lot better during the season and I'd actually take him over Reisner. As for DTs, ISU did have their starting DT out for the entire year. Getting Bailey Johnson back will be a huge help.

Won't disagree per se, as I don't know much about your TE and I certainly wasn't disparaging him. Only noting what a great play it was considering Johnson (said Lber) is having a really hard time finding any playing time. Yet there he was in a very crucial situation.

As for Reisner, he is a true soph that some of our fans complained about getting a scholly, and I'm sure you'll call me a typical Iowa fan for saying this...............

But I anticipate him potentially being better than Meyers. Meyers developed over his 1st 3 years playing a little as a RS soph and a lot as a Jr and as a SR he was a stud. Where as Reisner walked right in and played and we typically always have a NFL caliber TE so it seems. Though that can always go away ehhh………

Chad

**cmhawks99** · 01-02-2009, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by madcityCY

I can't believe I'm saying this... but I've always been impressed with Iowa's player development. I need ISU to figure this out. They can take a seemingly benign recruiting class, and turn them into relative winners in two years. Someone graduates/ gets drafted- some no-name steps in and does a fine job.

I think you'll agree threads like these are fun and it makes it easier to compliment the other side. For the record the benign comment is especially apropos. I have had this argument with "star gazing" Iowa fans at least 100 times and in fact I typically irritate them! Surprising I know..............

I think the Iowa coaching staff's true gift, isn’t developing (though yes they do have many 4th and 5th year success stories) or coaching (though I think they are solid in that regard as well) I think their gift is in finding kids who were erroneously ranked that walk in and play in year one or two. We have had countless amounts of 2 star guys and even some walk-ons that fill this category and honestly how much “developing” could have possibly happened in that time frame. Yeah they got coached up and they had a “chip” but they didn’t get athletically bigger, faster or stronger that darn much in that short amount of time. Did they?!?!?

Chad

**cycloneman003** · 01-02-2009, 04:15 PM

our young talent is better than iowas young talent. our defense is really bad, iowas is pretty solid. jewell hampton is no where near Shonn Greene caliber...

thats my assesment. and AA is lightyears ahead of Ricky Pansy

**SplitIdentity** · 01-02-2009, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneman003

our young talent is better than iowas young talent. our defense is really bad, iowas is pretty solid. jewell hampton is no where near Shonn Greene caliber...

thats my assesment. and AA is lightyears ahead of Ricky Pansy

Iowa's young talent was rated higher than ISU's young talent. Ricky Stanzi quarterbacked a 9-4 team, AA QB-d a 2-10 team. Hampton is not Greene, but still had 500+ yards this season.

That is my assessment.

**CyDude16** · 01-02-2009, 04:19 PM

HA just because Pansy was quarterback, doesnt mean he led the team. He is not very good, the offense rode on the back of Greene. Not Pansy. Arnaud is a lot better of a quarterback then Pansy.

P.S. It helps if you have a good defense like Iowa's. If Iowa State had a solid defense we wouldn't have been 2-10.

**cmhawks99** · 01-02-2009, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneman003

our young talent is better than iowas young talent. our defense is really bad, iowas is pretty solid. jewell hampton is no where near Shonn Greene caliber...

thats my assesment. and AA is lightyears ahead of Ricky Pansy

Can u expound here a tick. I know Iowa played 16 Frosh or Soph's on their 2-deep defense alone. So by proxy, your assessment of Iowa's D being "solid" makes me wonder what you are basing the above on?

Chad

**weR138** · 01-02-2009, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by troyrew

I can live with 1-5 and an Iowa win

what does 6-1 and no ISU bowl game get Isu?

A troll post from a d-bag like you.

**joefrog** · 01-02-2009, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

Iowa's young talent was rated higher than ISU's young talent. Ricky Stanzi quarterbacked a 9-4 team, AA QB-d a 2-10 team. Hampton is not Greene, but still had 500+ yards this season.

That is my assessment.

Yeah, replacing Doak Walker winners is easy. We have had plenty of 2000 yard rushers at ISU since TD left. Oh and outside of SC, did Stanzi beat a winning bowl team?

Just post Iowa is teh awesomest !11!!1!11!eleventy and get it over with.

**SplitIdentity** · 01-02-2009, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by joefrog

Yeah, replacing Doak Walker winners is easy. We have had plenty of 2000 yard rushers at ISU since TD left. Oh and outside of SC, did Stanzi beat a winning bowl team?

Just post Iowa is teh awesomest !11!!1!11!eleventy and get it over with.

Did Stanzi beat a team that won their bowl? Or did he beat bowl teams? Because he beat Minnesota, Wisconsin, Penn State, and South Carolina, who all went to bowls.

**CyForPresident** · 01-02-2009, 04:33 PM

If Iowa had AA instead of RS, they don't lose 4 games, more like, well 0.

**joefrog** · 01-02-2009, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

Did Stanzi beat a team that won their bowl? Or did he beat bowl teams? Because he beat Minnesota, Wisconsin, Penn State, and South Carolina, who all went to bowls.

I think asking "Oh and outside of SC, did Stanzi beat a winning bowl team?" is clear enough.

If Iowa was truly going to be all high and mighty next year, Hawk fans would not have to bother being here. It would be readily apparent to people that the Hawks would reload and be looking forward to another January bowl game. By trying to convince us they will be fine, you are actually trying to convince yourself, and failing miserably. Stanzi never once looked on the same level as Arnaud, even with a better O-line and RB to take the pressure off him. That is a sad but true fact for you.

**cmhawks99** · 01-02-2009, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

Did Stanzi beat a team that won their bowl? Or did he beat bowl teams? Because he beat Minnesota, Wisconsin, Penn State, and South Carolina, who all went to bowls.

He keeps changing the rules so he can keep up the facade. Many of these guys are very reasonable and fun to talk with. He isn't one of them.

Chad

**jmb** · 01-02-2009, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by cmhawks99

Blows..............and the Big 12 looks solid. Now being fair I already thought Minne and Wiscy stunk and NW played about how I thought, as I wasn't high on Mizzou. MSU also played waaayyy better than I thought they would, but PSU really disappointed me.

USC on the Big stage it seems is just nearly impossible to beat and PSU just wasn't good enough to even make it respectable.

Now what I have gleaned from watching football all year is that QB play and strong defense (being able to pressure strong QB’s and tackle in space) is paramount to win in college ball anymore. With strong QB play coming in even above strong D.

The good news is ISU returns a ton of young players and what I think is a pretty darn good QB. Plus they have what appears to be some very exciting young skill guys on the edges and in the D-backfield. And even better………

…..Iowa returns a ton of young talent and a “decent” QB who might get better as a Jr and a very strong D that got quite a bit of experience from the 2nd team D-linemen with one even getting Big 10 POW and a DE in Binns who may be the best pass rusher it seemed.

It will be an exciting competitive game next year in Ames no matter whether we both have new coaches or not....

Chad

Chad
I have been waiting for you to post this. Now back to my question of you that you resisted answering when we talked about this approximatley 6 weeks ago: if the Big 10 is actually placing tons of guys inthe NFL(if I remember correctly more than any other conference you claimed) why is the B10 getting owned in bowl games? **** poor coaching? There MUST be a reason that the B10 has the worst bowl record, and it appears that it can't be pinned on the players what is it?