What the heck is going on at Michigan?

[Tornado man]

So now we're just debating the level of rulebreaking. Honestly this is the biggest nonstory ever. Nothing will come of this. They tracked down some freshman and some malcontents and cultivated a story. This could have been written anywhere as Deace said this morning. He quoted the same paper from last year where Javon Ringer talked about putting in 10 hour days every day.

Yeah, like Steve Deace knows as much as current and former Michigan players do. Right...

[cyclonenum1]

Al Davis is old he is not an idiot.

The Team was the best team in the AFC for 3 straight years.

The team got old.

They have not drafted great that is their problem.

Cable seems to have turned a corner with this team.

You apparently did not see the Saints v. Raiders game this past Saturday. It looks more like the Raiders are driving over the cliff than turning the corner.

[CycloneErik]

You apparently did not see the Saints v. Raiders game this past Saturday. It looks more like the Raiders are driving over the cliff than turning the corner.

Maybe the edge of the cliff is the corner he's talking about.......

[cyclonenum1]

I think RRod will give up before he ever gets the horse in Ann Arbor on it's legs.

Michigan will be lucky if RR doesn't sneak down to take over Clemson or some other southern program where all he has to do is coach football.

I'm not sure what the insinuation is here with this comment.

However, I believe the CFB HC job is tougher at almost all of the "southern programs" than it is at most of the northern programs because of the expectations, passion for, and focus on FB in the south. CFB HCs in the south have a lot of constituencies to attend to and a lot of pressure to deal with. Only a few programs in the north have the same level of scrutiny...and Michigan certainly is one of them.

My guess is that you are implying that southern schools cheat and northern schools do not. You would be wrong if that is what you are implying.

[cyclonenum1]

Of course Iowa State's "voluntary" workouts in the summer are pretty much required - or at least absence is frowned upon.
However, I doubt that many schools require 8-10 hours of the players' time on Sundays after games, as has been alleged...I know Iowa State doesn't.
C'mon - some Michigan players were interviewed in the Free Press who didn't even know about the 20-hour rule. That raises some eyebrows...

So ISU does no film study after games?

Why is it so shocking that the players don't know this rule?

I think the fact they do not know what the rule is (which is no surprise) is part of the reason these kids told the reporter what they did. From what I understand, training room time (icing swollen joints, massages, etc.) does not count against the 20 hours. If a kid goes in on Sunday and watches 3 hours of game tape and spends 3 hours in the training room he would probably tell someone that he spent 6 hours on Sunday on FB...the reality is that by this rule...he spent only 3 hours in my example.

[cyclonenum1]

So now we're just debating the level of rulebreaking. Honestly this is the biggest nonstory ever. Nothing will come of this. They tracked down some freshman and some malcontents and cultivated a story. This could have been written anywhere as Deace said this morning. He quoted the same paper from last year where Javon Ringer talked about putting in 10 hour days every day.

I totally agree.

Heck, I was thinking about how much time my son put in for basketball and baseball last year in HS and it was more than 20 hours per week for both sports...between practices, weightlifting, games, and meetings.

[tube1]

I agree with your other posts, but Michigan is still the better job long term. WVU success has been relatively recent. Michigan has a ton more tradition and money to work with.

I think WVU was a flash in the pan. If he would have stayed they could have perhaps sustained it.

I think any coach following LLoyd Carr had big shoes to fill. Maybe that's why Les Miles didn't take it. Maybe he will in another couple years.

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. As it may end up, Rich Rod may miss this one anyway. But you have to at least take a long and serious look when a program like Michigan comes a knocking. Safety and comfort is one thing (WVA), but a competitor would want to be the cream of the crop. I'm sure the competitive side of Rich Rod trumped the practical side here.

[cyclonenum1]

I would love to hear from the guy on this site that played for ISU under McCarney...ISUFBCurt I think is his name on the site.

It would be nice to hear his take on this since he actually was a FB in college. He could give us a better perspective on the time commitment these FB players have to make and what the difference between "voluntary" and "mandatory" is.