And the winner is......

**cyinne** · 12-12-2009, 10:58 AM

I shared this site earlier this week and thought I would update.

According to stiffarmtrophy.com (site has guessed the last 7 Heismans) they are projecting Mark Ingram to win.

I really hope that NS wins since the award is suppose to go to the "most outstanding player" not the most valuable player.

I have hated how the pundits have said that "NS should win the trophy but he wont so I voted for MI or TG or whoever."-- Well if you would have voted for NS maybe he would win..........

StiffArmTrophy.com: Our final projection: Mark Ingram, in a close one.

**jumbopackage** · 12-12-2009, 11:05 AM

The Heisman has to be the most overrated award in all of sports.
Not only is the award absurd, the way the figure it out is as well.
When the guy with the most first place votes doesn't finish in first place, perhaps you should re-examine the system.

Especially when that guys is the most dominant player at his position in decades, and the likely winner is a mediocre running back on a really good team.

**HOTDON** · 12-12-2009, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by jumbopackage

Especially when that guys is the most dominant player at his position in decades, and the likely winner is a mediocre running back on a really good team.

Nailed it this year. Mediocre quarterback on a really good team would sum it up most years.

**hurdleisu24** · 12-12-2009, 11:15 AM

Gerhart avg rushing vs ranked teams 200 yds. Suh at times single handedly kept nebraska in games. Those should be the top 2 based on what they did vs the best this year. Remember no Alabama player has ever won the Heisman. There are 3 regions that don't have a canidate in this year be interesting seeing the break down. I guess some of the southern published ballots have left Ingram off completely.

**Clones85'** · 12-12-2009, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by jumbopackage

The Heisman has to be the most overrated award in all of sports.
Not only is the award absurd, the way the figure it out is as well.
When the guy with the most first place votes doesn't finish in first place, perhaps you should re-examine the system.

Especially when that guys is the most dominant player at his position in decades, and the likely winner is a mediocre running back on a really good team.

You think Ingram is mediocre? Have you not watched him play? Great balance and toughness. SEC is a great defensive conference and his OL is almost all new from last year.

I too think Suh should win it though

**chuckd4735** · 12-12-2009, 11:19 AM

I wonder who Tebow voted for?

**The_Architect** · 12-12-2009, 11:19 AM

The dumbest thing about the voting is that you vote for 1-3 place. Why the eff don't you just vote for who should be #1!? Nothing else matters.

**Jeremy** · 12-12-2009, 11:23 AM

Gerhart would get my vote, followed by Suh. Teebow shouldn't be in the Top 5 candidates in my opinion as there were several other outstanding seasons by players that don't have the same level of talent around them that should be before TT.

**hurdleisu24** · 12-12-2009, 11:27 AM

Last year Tebow had the most first place votes and didn't win it because he was left off a bunch of ballots. Im wondering if that may not come back into play this year.

**CrossCyed** · 12-12-2009, 11:28 AM

From BHGP:

The following season stats for defensive lines, submitted for your examination.

Line #1

98 Tkl, 23.5 TFL, 9.5 Sk, 20 QBH, 5 PBU, 0 Int, 1 FF, 3 Blk

Line #2

112 Tkl, 33 TFL, 14 Sk, 48 QBH, 5 PBU, 0 Int, 1 FF, 0 Blk

Line #3

116 Tkl, 25.5 TFL, 15.5 Sk, 10 QBH, 7 PBU, 0 Int, 2 FF, 0 Blk

Line #4

82 Tkl, 23 TFL, 12 Sk, 24 QBH, 10 PBU, 1 Int, 1 FF, 3 Blk

Line #1 = Alabama.

Line #2 = Florida.

Line #3 = Texas.

Line #4 = Ndamukong Suh. By himself.

**MNclone** · 12-12-2009, 11:31 AM

Those are some amazing statistics right there....

**Clones85'** · 12-12-2009, 11:32 AM

That's an incredible stat like Crosscyed

**HOTDON** · 12-12-2009, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by CrossCyed

From BHGP:

The following season stats for defensive lines, submitted for your examination.

Line #1

98 Tkl, 23.5 TFL, 9.5 Sk, 20 QBH, 5 PBU, 0 Int, 1 FF, 3 Blk

Line #2

112 Tkl, 33 TFL, 14 Sk, 48 QBH, 5 PBU, 0 Int, 1 FF, 0 Blk

Line #3

116 Tkl, 25.5 TFL, 15.5 Sk, 10 QBH, 7 PBU, 0 Int, 2 FF, 0 Blk

Line #4

82 Tkl, 23 TFL, 12 Sk, 24 QBH, 10 PBU, 1 Int, 1 FF, 3 Blk

Line #1 = Alabama.

Line #2 = Florida.

Line #3 = Texas.

Line #4 = Ndamukong Suh. By himself.

That is the statistical proof of all of the praise that has been heaped on him for the past week in the Heisman discussions.

**hurdleisu24** · 12-12-2009, 11:37 AM

Was their a college award that he was a finalist for and didn't win this week?

**jumbopackage** · 12-12-2009, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

You think Ingram is mediocre? Have you not watched him play? Great balance and toughness. SEC is a great defensive conference and his OL is almost all new from last year.

I too think Suh should win it though

Alabama kept right on ticking with or without him. He failed to get to 100 yards in 5 games this year, including a near loss at Auburn where he only rushed for 30 yards on 16 attempts, and a near loss at Tennessee where he was held to 99 yards on 18 attempts.

He's a solid running back, but far and away the most "meh" of all the choices on the ballot, IMO. If Alabama wasn't undefeated (i.e. had lost to, say, Auburn or Tennessee), Ingram isn't even in the conversation, IMO.