Big Ten Expansion - Texas?

[cmhawks99]

Funny coming from someone hanging out on an ISU website. As for the hilighted part we have learned from the best, the Iowa fan. You are doing those vary things in this thread. Your fan base should be proud of you.

You've always been one of the best and most insecure. I fully expect if I was wearing an Iowa hat at the breakfast counter and asked you for the salt you'd infer a slight. Carry on. I have a mirror and I do occasional use it. You?!??!?!

Chad

[jbhtexas]

I'm not being an arse

Yeah, you are. But it's what you do, in addition to being insanely condescending. It's ok though. We all have our faults.

[cmhawks99]

Don't confuse my use of "top of league" to equal "conference champions" every year.

You would be kidding yourself if you don't think Texas wouldn't disrupt the power structure of the big 10. This year they were #2 in football and currently #1 in basketball. They are perennial national title contenders in baseball (don't know how much revenue wise it figures in)

As far as your PSU reference, have they not been at the top of the league since they joined, minus a few year hiatus?

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If something like this were to happen, I would suspect the impending collapse of major college conferences (as we know them) all together.

If you remove the geographical boundaries like this move would do, it could open up a crazy move like Florida joining the Pac-10 (an airplane ride from LA to Gainesville isn't much longer than one from Austin to Pittsburgh) is no longer out of the Realm.

Realistically (and hopefully as an ISU fan) this will pressure better TV contracts for the Big 12, as I mentioned earlier on in one of these threads.

You must not know, but since 2001 Iowa is 3rd in league wins, 1 game behind UM and way ahead of PSU who is 4th. PSU kicked arse the 1st couple years but not so much now.

I expect it will change the college landscape but as I said I'll wait until Texas jumps, I still don't see it. But someone will for sure

Chad

[kingcy]

You've always been one of the best and most insecure. I fully expect if I was wearing an Iowa hat at the breakfast counter and asked you for the salt you'd infer a slight. Carry on. I have a mirror and I do occasional use it. You?!??!?!

Chad

No I have a lot of friends that are Iowa fans. We get along have some fun with everything. Hell one of my best friends is a huge Iowa fan, we even have went to games together. We get along great. There is nothing wrong with Iowa fans, except for the fact they chose the wrong team. It is ******** like you that ruin it for everyone.

[herbicide]

ok, here's a link from an article in today's Omaha World Herald online:

Omaha.com - The Omaha World-Herald: Sports - Barfknecht: Don’t bet on expansion of Big Ten

(note, I will concede that the numbers are a little old and not identical to what have been thrown around here, but close enough.... also the author of this article doesn't think the B10 will expand)

According to IRS documents reviewed by The World-Herald from the most recent fiscal year available (2007-08), the Big Ten reported about $217 million to share, and that each of its 11 members eventually received about $18.8 million.
The Big Ten is the only Bowl Championship Series league that equally shares all revenue.
In that same fiscal year, IRS forms show the Big 12 designated $103.1 million to share. Texas got the most at $10.2 million. Baylor got the least at $7.1 million. Nebraska was fifth at $9.1 million.
Look closely at that. A Big 12 school which moves to the Big Ten essentially would double its yearly revenue share

I assume that the revenue share includes all sources of revenue for the conference-- tv contracts and revenue from the various conference championship events with the costs of the conference administration subtracted

Key word: share. It does not disclose any moneys that weren't shared, which again, does not say much more than has already been said.

[cmhawks99]

Yeah, you are. It's what you do...

Ahhh another old friend. What I do is point out things. If they go against what you perceive then I am an arse?!?! Fortunately I don't process things that way and I didn't start the thread and I care not to maim. If I have somehow ruptured the facade you have built up vs the Big 10 and in lieu of the mighty Big 12 that is on you. I like them both very much. I however don't have a whole lot of presuppositions about what is or isn't and the numbers kind of speak for themselves don't they?!?!

Here is a rule of thumb. For many, not all but many Big 12/ISU fans you become an arse when you present things that go against what they believe.

They typically believe the Big 10 is a dying league that is athletically and academically inferior and is only years from dying. When the facts roll down and they can't refute them it brings out the "you are an arse" crowd and the "you are beating your chest crowd". In no way did it seem that is what people were trying to do. But when you disagree and add conjecture I am not surprised that is what people think. Especially when they can't attain a advantage in the debate.

Pretty easy stuff and the same reason politics and religion cause so much strife. People can't keep up and they want to believe what they want to believe.

Chad

[herbicide]

You must not know, but since 2001 Iowa is 3rd in league wins, 1 game behind UM and way ahead of PSU who is 4th. PSU kicked arse the 1st couple years but not so much now.

I expect it will change the college landscape but as I said I'll wait until Texas jumps, I still don't see it. But someone will for sure

Chad

If Texas would join the Big 10, I would brace yourself for regular losses to Texas.

If a Syracuse or other team that fits the region joins, of course it will shake things up.

What I meant by that is a Texas jump to the Big 10 would be a major change, which could end lead to 2-4 monster 16+ team conferences.

[kingcy]

They typically believe the Big 10 is a dying league that is athletically and academically inferior and is only years from dying. When the facts roll down and they can't refute them it brings out the "you are an arse" crowd and the "you are beating your chest crowd". In no way did it seem that is what people were trying to do. But when you disagree and add conjecture I am not surprised that is what people think. Especially when they can't attain a advantage in the debate.


Chad

Where do you come up with this ****? Why not use the ******* real *** word and allow the ******* filter to take care the son of a *****.

[kingcy]

If Texas would join the Big 10, I would brace yourself for regular losses to Texas.

If a Syracuse or other team that fits the region joins, of course it will shake things up.

What I meant by that is a Texas jump to the Big 10 would be a major change, which could end lead to 2-4 monster 16+ team conferences.

Ohio State would never allow Texas to join the Big 2134324 for that reason.

[frankthetank]

Frank,

Thanks for posting. My question is out of the $78M is big 12 shared money, does that include the the $ that teams in the Big 12 don't share? In other words, are these Big 12 #'s per the conference, or by adding all 12 teams TV total revenue individually up?
-That is the root of the question, because my understanding (correct or otherwise) is that certain moneys (TV) are not eligible to be shared, for example Thursday night games (which are a favorite for ISU for monetary reasons)

I'll plead ignorance - I'm just not following the distinction that you're making. That figure is the total amount of money that the Big 12 receives at a conference level. My understanding is that a portion of it is shared equally and the rest of it is distributed based on the number of national TV appearances that a team has in a season. If that's what you're referring to, then this is all of the money that all of the Big 12 schools receive (whether it's shared or not shared).

Now as far as the rumors of the Texas teams joining joining different conferences, I have personally heard so many rumors of how it all shook out, including that the Texas teams are the ones who "courted" the big 8. Most likely when the SWC went defunct (Arkansas to SEC), they explored all options and the Big 8 was the best fit. Any prudent business operation would do so. Just like I am sure they would entertain an offer from the Big 10 to join them. The most likely "rumor" us "old guard" big 8 folk hear is moving the basketball tournament to Dallas is what sealed the deal. If your claims of the Governor's intervention is true, what about Houston, Rice, and TCU?

Please see my follow up post #1 - I linked to a San Antonio Express newspaper article that explains the history of how Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor ended up in the Big 12, which includes an extensive interview with the UT president at that time.

The flip-side of the coin is would the "old guard" Big 10 schools welcome in Texas? In your own blog you use that logic against the "old guard" big 8 schools for a reason for them to leave the big 12. Lets be honest, Texas likely would instantly be at the top of the conference in all of the revenue generating sports in the big 10. You must remember at the time of these schools joining the Big 8, they were not the powerhouse that they are now.

That's a fair point. However, it's a fundamental aspect of the Big Ten that everything is shared equally - TV revenue, bowl revenue, etc. That fact alone is a massive reason why there's little acrimony among Big Ten members on major issues. It's also why the SEC is extremely tight - note that the 2 richest conferences in the country happen to have the most equitable revenue sharing, and the pro sports league that has the most revenue sharing (the NFL) is by far the strongest, too. That's not a coincidence. As long as Texas makes a whole lot more money for the old-line Big Ten members, the Longhorns can take as many trips to the Rose Bowl as they please.

All this said, the biggest obstacle is the geography. Despite what you claim, you must realize that even in professional sports where $ is everything, leagues are designed by region.

Kind of true, except for the most obvious exception of them all just up the road from the University of Texas: the Dallas Cowboys in the NFC East. Anyone that thinks that Texas fans are going to be bothered by playing in large market Northern cities just need to look at their favorite pro team.

Also look at another Texas-based team: the Houston Astros in the NL Central. If you take a couple of seconds to look at the geography in that division, you'll see that it's almost an exact match of what the Big Ten would look like with Texas included. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts and reasonable debate.

[herbicide]

Here is a rule of thumb. For many, not all but many Big 12/ISU fans you become an arse when you present things that go against what they believe.

Just like many Big 10/Iowa fans.

It is unwise for those who live in glass houses to cast stones.

[cmhawks99]

No I have a lot of friends that are Iowa fans. We get along have some fun with everything. Hell one of my best friends is a huge Iowa fan, we even have went to games together. We get along great. There is nothing wrong with Iowa fans, except for the fact they chose the wrong team. It is ******** like you that ruin it for everyone.

Please you point out one post were I said something crappy about ISU that wasn't presented by others or wasn't in direct contrast to what someone else said. Since you can't I wont wait.

If you can I'll apologize as I can indeed be a tick over the top and explain myself. I do get along with most people but those who wander about disparaging others or refuse to "see" slay me. This didn't start out as a Big 12 sucks thread it was only about why Texas may consider and I just joined in. You guys got PO'd because it goes against what you want to believe is true and then you projected that arrogant Iowa/Big 10 crap on me/us and quite frankly it really isn't fair and says more about you than it does me.

Chad

[kingcy]

Please you point out one post were I said something crappy about ISU that wasn't presented by others or wasn't in direct contrast to what someone else said. Since you can't I wont wait.

If you can I'll apologize as I can indeed be a tick over the top and explain myself. I do get along with most people but those who wander about disparaging others or refuse to "see" slay me. This didn't start out as a Big 12 sucks thread it was only about why Texas may consider and I just joined in. You guys got PO'd because it goes against what you want to believe is true and then you projected that arrogant Iowa/Big 10 crap on me/us and quite frankly it really isn't fair and says more about you than it does me.

Chad

Go reread this whole thread.

[cmhawks99]

Just like many Big 10/Iowa fans.

It is unwise for those who live in glass houses to cast stones.

Touche' old friend and I am ready lets debate?!?!?! That's the only reason I come to these sites. I'm not full of Iowa and I can stick to the facts can you?!?!?

Chad

[Stelrs1995]

Ahhh another old friend. What I do is point out things. If they go against what you perceive then I am an arse?!?! Fortunately I don't process things that way and I didn't start the thread and I care not to maim. If I have somehow ruptured the facade you have built up vs the Big 10 and in lieu of the mighty Big 12 that is on you. I like them both very much. I however don't have a whole lot of presuppositions about what is or isn't and the numbers kind of speak for themselves don't they?!?!

Here is a rule of thumb. For many, not all but many Big 12/ISU fans you become an arse when you present things that go against what they believe.

They typically believe the Big 10 is a dying league that is athletically and academically inferior and is only years from dying. When the facts roll down and they can't refute them it brings out the "you are an arse" crowd and the "you are beating your chest crowd". In no way did it seem that is what people were trying to do. But when you disagree and add conjecture I am not surprised that is what people think. Especially when they can't attain a advantage in the debate.

Pretty easy stuff and the same reason politics and religion cause so much strife. People can't keep up and they want to believe what they want to believe.

Chad

Are you serious? I have never seen ANYONE on here ever say anything like this. The Big 10 is one of the strongest conferences in the country, probably only 2nd to the SEC.