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DaddyMac 
Muschamp and Gruden aren't all that surprising, and I think a little pie in the sky.
Calhoun is a curious turn down.
Hadn't heard that Cutcliffe had turned them down. As of yesterday a few sites said he pretty much had the job. That one really is odd. Two stints there in the past?
The is a pleasant new trend in college football where coaches with ties to a program are turning down more prestige and money to stay home and it is a cool thing to see. Plus who knows what went on in the board room and whether UT wanted some offensive scheme concessions or what not.
Cutcliffe IS an anomaly as it seems Duke no matter how much success they muster could even get close to equal footing with b-ball and I don't see a program like that ever winning like UT. And I'm one of those guys that thinks most any team "can" win big with the right circumstances.
Chad
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Every time an opening comes about Stoops throws his name in to get more money from Oklahoma. Don't read to much into it.
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thatguy Every time an opening comes about Stoops throws his name in to get more money from Oklahoma. Don't read to much into it.
Agree to some extent, now if USC had come calling, i could see him actually taking that job as there is no other GIANT program in the Pac10 where he knows they will have a top 5 team year in year out like Texas or in the SEC like Alabama, Florida.....
But, if either Rich Rod or Stoops left those programs it would be interesting to see how those dominos fell.....the next three weeks in recruiting will be tenacious amongst those big boys....
The Tennessee AD says he wants a coach in place before midnight tomorrow because of the recruiting period opening back up on Sunday to allow all forms of visits.
Any word on our Biggest target Kirksey???
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nj829 I would be shocked if Spurrier when there, the fan base hated him with a passion when he was with Florida, it would be the equivilent of Hayden coming to coach ISU. Have heard quiet rumblings of Petrino leaving here in Arkansas, but I don't think it will happen, although he has been coach for 2 years now...
This is not in any way a jab just an observation. But in my opinion ISU is one of the most unique fan bases in that regard. Yes UT fans hated Spurrier but they hate most all SEC coaches, including Urban Meyer. Keep in mind UF was not a juggernaut before Spurrier got there and UT was way more prestigious of a program. They are all about winning, they'd accept SS.
ISU on the other hand I have no doubt would NOT accept HF, KF or any past Iowa Head coach and that is unusual. Sure the fringe guys would throw a fit, but with ISU fans it's a pretty universal thing. If memory serves some sweated Mac at first and the potential hire of Terry Brands.
Most teams dislike their rivals coach, but ISU fans have some weird thing going on that seems to take it to a new level.
Again just my opinion and I have always been a mild UT fan and a rabid college football watcher so I'm not just pulling thoughts out of the sky here.
Chad
PS...................This Iowa football fan and most in my opinion don't care where their next successful coach comes from. If it is from ISU so be it.
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KMAC_ATTACK That would be even a bigger shocker.....
I don't think leaving the big 12 south for the SEC East is going to help his cause of stockpiling Championships....it definitely won't be easier.....
That and he reportedly declared no interest in the Notre Dame job, but he's interested in Tennessee?
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KMAC_ATTACK Cutcliffe released a statement this morning - he is out....but then again, we've heard that before in the coaching world, maybe there wasnt enough zeros behind the number!!!!
Similar to how Bama fans absolutely hated Nick Saban in 2003 when he led LSU to the national championship and beat down Bama in the LSU-Alabama rivalry 27-3.....Winning helps you forget a lot about someone being on the other side!!!! I can personally relate, i hated with a passion Charles Haley when he was with the 49ers, but, when he put on the star, i loved the guy!!!!!
But interesting info on Rich Rod, that would be a big blow!!!! Then the Ferentz to Michigan crap would start flyin!!!!! AGAIN!!!!!
I perused the Mgoblog for a couple months and several of them talked with assurance that KF was indeed offered that job and turned it down, so I don't think they'd head down that road again. KF wouldn't leave a Big 10 team for another one, and in fact that has happened only a few times in history. The Big 10 isn't like the SEC in that regard.
That of course doesn't mean the rumors wouldn't fly, but I have noticed the news services have taken a different approach to KF so far this season, seeming content on the fact he isn't going any where. I'm honestly one of the Iowa fans that have never been that concerned about the rumors though many have lamented it is "bad" for recruiting. I contend the exposure is as helpful as it has been hurtful and yes I imagine it has hurt in a few cases. All the same they still seem to sign a lot of future talent so why would an Iowa fan wish things to be different.............:unsure:
Chad
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ISU on the other hand I have no doubt would NOT accept HF, KF or any past Iowa Head coach and that is unusual. Sure the fringe guys would throw a fit, but with ISU fans it's a pretty universal thing. If memory serves some sweated Mac at first and the potential hire of Terry Brands.
Most teams dislike their rivals coach, but ISU fans have some weird thing going on that seems to take it to a new level.
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I wouldn't have minded replacing DMC with Kirk but that's just me. I think SS at Tenn makes perfect sense.
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Dan McCarney was a former Hawkeye coach and player that did ok at Iowa State.
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ESPN said Cutcliffe turned down the job because he wanted to bring all of his assistants from Duke and Tennessee wanted him to keep some of the existing assistants.
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cmhawks99 I perused the Mgoblog for a couple months and several of them talked with assurance that KF was indeed offered that job and turned it down, so I don't think they'd head down that road again. KF wouldn't leave a Big 10 team for another one, and in fact that has happened only a few times in history. The Big 10 isn't like the SEC in that regard.
That of course doesn't mean the rumors wouldn't fly, but I have noticed the news services have taken a different approach to KF so far this season, seeming content on the fact he isn't going any where. I'm honestly one of the Iowa fans that have never been that concerned about the rumors though many have lamented it is "bad" for recruiting. I contend the exposure is as helpful as it has been hurtful and yes I imagine it has hurt in a few cases. All the same they still seem to sign a lot of future talent so why would an Iowa fan wish things to be different.............:unsure:
Chad
I really think the rumors of Kirk were overblown on mgoblog and I don't know ti was that close to happening. I was glad it didn't because the whole point was to change that team. Kirk is basically a younger Lloyd Carr. There is nothing wrong with that, however they could have just as well kept Carr and named Ron English the next guy in. I think they wanted someone a little more progressive and wanted more of a drastic change which is what they got. The same people who hated Lloyd and wanted complete change are now the ones calling for RRs head because they thought, for some reason, this would be an easy transition. I think any knowledgeable M fan should have seen two years of hardship. All leadership left with Carr and he had not brought depth on the defensive side through recruiting. The fact is, though, the Michigan fanbase is filled with people who expect to win 10 games years in and year out. That is hard to do in college football today. Michigan will be back, and when they get back, with how successful the Big Ten was this year, that conference will be tough. Hell, they beat 4 top 15 teams this year in bowls. That's pretty impressive.
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yaman3 I really think the rumors of Kirk were overblown on mgoblog and I don't know ti was that close to happening. I was glad it didn't because the whole point was to change that team. Kirk is basically a younger Lloyd Carr. There is nothing wrong with that, however they could have just as well kept Carr and named Ron English the next guy in. I think they wanted someone a little more progressive and wanted more of a drastic change which is what they got. The same people who hated Lloyd and wanted complete change are now the ones calling for RRs head because they thought, for some reason, this would be an easy transition. I think any knowledgeable M fan should have seen two years of hardship. All leadership left with Carr and he had not brought depth on the defensive side through recruiting. The fact is, though, the Michigan fanbase is filled with people who expect to win 10 games years in and year out. That is hard to do in college football today. Michigan will be back, and when they get back, with how successful the Big Ten was this year, that conference will be tough. Hell, they beat 4 top 15 teams this year in bowls. That's pretty impressive.
Well, Steve Deace knows his **** when it comes to Michigan football, and he claimed that Michigan offered KF the job twice in a 30 day period....believe what you want, but I doubt you have a better source on Michigan football than Deace does.
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I heard Saul Rhoads turned the job down too.
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ISU on the other hand I have no doubt would NOT accept HF, KF or any past Iowa Head coach and that is unusual. Sure the fringe guys would throw a fit, but with ISU fans it's a pretty universal thing. If memory serves some sweated Mac at first and the potential hire of Terry Brands.
Most teams dislike their rivals coach, but ISU fans have some weird thing going on that seems to take it to a new level.
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I wouldn't have minded replacing DMC with Kirk but that's just me. I think SS at Tenn makes perfect sense.
So do I but it sounds mute now. Besides I like The Gamecocks too and would just as soon he stay there. Though I'd have guessed he'd have moved them up the pecking order a little further by now. They do recruit pretty well, but it is worth saying he isn't nearly as intense as he used to be or at least so it seems.
Chad
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jtdoyle1 Dan McCarney was a former Hawkeye coach and player that did ok at Iowa State.
I indicated as much, and he was questioned at first. All the same he was the perfect hire at the time.
Chad
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yaman3 I really think the rumors of Kirk were overblown on mgoblog and I don't know ti was that close to happening. I was glad it didn't because the whole point was to change that team. Kirk is basically a younger Lloyd Carr. There is nothing wrong with that, however they could have just as well kept Carr and named Ron English the next guy in. I think they wanted someone a little more progressive and wanted more of a drastic change which is what they got. The same people who hated Lloyd and wanted complete change are now the ones calling for RRs head because they thought, for some reason, this would be an easy transition. I think any knowledgeable M fan should have seen two years of hardship. All leadership left with Carr and he had not brought depth on the defensive side through recruiting. The fact is, though, the Michigan fanbase is filled with people who expect to win 10 games years in and year out. That is hard to do in college football today. Michigan will be back, and when they get back, with how successful the Big Ten was this year, that conference will be tough. Hell, they beat 4 top 15 teams this year in bowls. That's pretty impressive.
I would never argue with someone over something like this as it is pure conjecture on my part, your part and most all of Mgoblogs part. What we know is UM and KF are both too classy to tip their hand.
As for Hawkfan I do get that Deace is a huge UM fan and maybe, stressing "maybe" he does know, but I don't take his college-football knowledge as seriously as I do mine. Someone on here last August before I stepped out for awhile claimed Deace suggested ISU was faster than Iowa and that hasn't been the case in years. The only year it was debatable was 2005 (that was a solid, aggressive ISU defense) though it is conceivable Deace didn't really say that but if he did he was all wet.
Back to UM and RR. Yes I get that UM wanted a change but to me that was a "reactionary" hirer and not a sound one. UM fans mistakenly assumed somehow RR was going to bring "speed" to the Big 10 in the form of the spread and in reality both were already here. UM was always prototypical 6'4" QB's who could throw the deep out and down field to Pro WR's. With NFL O-linemen and down hill runners. That was their advantage. Their weakness was they had gotten soft and IMO pretty darn slow on defense.
(by the by college football is my passion so I love talks like this. Don't think I'm trying to be derogatory or an authority)
Back to the chat...................UM, by doing this immediately negated their advantages over the Iowa's of the world, (who was competing with them already) and now they don't even try to sign the same type of offensive players. When in actuality their biggest issues were the need of a culture change, and maybe some more dynamic play calling. Also better conditioning and weight training and hardnosed faster defensive players. If you followed the combines/Pro days like I do you'd know that contrary to popular belief the PSU's, tOSU's, Iowa's, Wisco's and even PU's were still putting plenty of speedy defenders in the league yet amazzingly UM's guys were ridiculously slow at the Combines. Remember Mike Hart and Mario Manningham (side note-They happen to be focal points for my rant for how misleading and over rated "speed" numbers can be but I digress) and there are some defensive examples but they escape me right now. Point being I think UM made a mistake.
With that said I also agree that they need to be patient now and given time RR can win up there. Though I personally don't believe he'll ever play Iowa, PSU, tOSU type defense and yes I know his defensive numbers at West Va were solid, but that was the Big East too.
For the record Iowa has 28 NFL alumni and UM has 33 placing both in the top 20 but not statistical different per se. There was a time when UM was up around 40 plus.
Sorry for the epic novel, I just love this kind of stuff.
Chad
PS....................When talking about speed it is my belief it is on D where it is paramount and that is where I refer to Iowa and others speed. Iowa has rarely had skill players on O like UM (getting a little closer now) and there in lies the problem with UM's switch.
PPS..............I also wasn't trying to be a braggart. I just don't think Steve Deace is as much of an authority, as he is a personality if that makes sense.
