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Originally Posted by Clark

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. When Iowa wins it's because the other team doesn't want to be there. When they lose it's because they can't hang with the big boys.

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Sounds about like a Hawk response after an ISU-Iowa game.

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Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78

This. I will give Deace & Miller one thing.... they are Big 10 fans. Matt & Ken are only fans of anything that will destroy or significantly hurt ISU and Jamie Pollard. Matt sounded like he was pleasuring himself yesterday while talking about the Big 10 possibly stealing away Nebraska, Texas, and Oklahoma from the Big XII. Those two want nothing more then the destruction of the BIG XII because it will hurt ISU. I can't believe those two idiots still have jobs.

Matt sounded like someone had kicked his dog after the media guy from Texas said flat out that Texas to the Big 10 isn't going to happen. So.... Matt immediately switched topics to the Penn State b-ball player transferring to ISU and then went on a rant about how ISU shouldn't accept transfers because JP's email somehow claimed that transfers are bad but only when kids transfer from ISU. He couldn't make his jabs at JP any more obvious. I can't wait until he gets his *** run out of town just like they did to him in Nebraska. Maybe we can replace him with that ex girlfriend of his who he railed on and on about on his old radio show making headlines in Philly. What a freaking loser. :biglaugh:

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Actuallly this is a fair statement..
If you accept a transfer aren't you contributing to the problem?
Not sure how the statement below does not contradict with what ISU just did.


However, it also helps to keep our transfers in perspective. My peers and I continually discuss the epidemic around the country in the sport of basketball. In the past two years over 500 men’s basketball players have transferred from a Division I team to another program. That number is absolutely amazing. Unfortunately if a kid’s world is not absolutely perfect (in their mind), they run from the problem rather than deal with it. Makes you wonder if it is the first signs of our society’s change in our early education program (no longer give kids grades – everybody passes; can’t keep score, everybody has to win; if you do not like something, have mom or dad complain on your behalf). Personally I wonder how that generation is going to survive in the real world when mom or dad or AAU coach are not there for them during their first job interview or first job evaluation. The bottom line is life is not a video game, you can’t just hit reset if you do not like your initial score.

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Originally Posted by FarminCy

Sounds about like a Hawk response after an ISU-Iowa game.

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Wouldn't that be a Clone's response:confused:

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Originally Posted by Clark

Wouldn't that be a Clone's response:confused:

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Think about it and it will come to you.

i.e. - ISU wins and hawks say it was just lucky or the Hawks just didn't show up. Iowa wins and all of the sudden it's ISU can't hang and thanks for playing little brother were off to our yearly predictions of national champions.

So you see it is a typical Hawk answer.

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Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78

What does Texas gain by going to the Big 10? A drop in the bucket when it comes to extra revenue for them? They don't gain prestige, they don't gain more exposure, they don't gain any existing rivalries, they don't gain a recruiting advantage, etc....

What do they have to gain?

In a typical year they would gain an easier schedule, they would gain a bunch of cold weather games up north, and they gain a few million dollars more then what they typically make. The only advantage they gain by switching is playing in a softer conference then the Big XII.

The Big 10's worst nightmare would be OU or Texas joining the Big 10. Those teams would flat out dominate the conference for years.

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No they wouldn't. They'd win their fair share and would make it really tough for teams like Iowa and Wisconsin but they aren't dominating OSU, Michigan, or PSU.

I don't think Texas is coming to the Big 10 either.

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Originally Posted by FarminCy

Think about it and it will come to you.

i.e. - ISU wins and hawks say it was just lucky or the Hawks just didn't show up. Iowa wins and all of the sudden it's ISU can't hang and thanks for playing little brother were off to our yearly predictions of national champions.

So you see it is a typical Hawk answer.

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That's the opposite of what I said though. So what I said would actually be from a Clone fan's perspective. (ie: if you win it's because they didn't really care, if you lose it's because you can't hang)

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Originally Posted by Clark

No they wouldn't. They'd win their fair share and would make it really tough for teams like Iowa and Wisconsin but they aren't dominating OSU, Michigan, or PSU.

I don't think Texas is coming to the Big 10 either.

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Let's face it... OSU played Texas 3 times in the last 3 or 4 years and lost 2 out of 3. That isn't saying much for OSU. Michigan and Penn State haven't been much for the Big 10 to brag about either.

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Originally Posted by Clark

That's the opposite of what I said though. So what I said would actually be from a Clone fan's perspective. (ie: if you win it's because they didn't really care, if you lose it's because you can't hang)

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Actually what you said was "if iowa wins it's because the team didn't care. and if Iowa loses they can't hang with the big boys". You were calling out some guys for their thoughts on that about Iowa. Just pointing out that it is ironic that an Iowa fan doesn't like that mindset when they use it towards ISU all the time.

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Originally Posted by fsanford

Actuallly this is a fair statement..
If you accept a transfer aren't you contributing to the problem?
Not sure how the statement below does not contradict with what ISU just did.

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No it really isn't. Kids have always transferred and will always transfer. The number of kids transferring have gone up and that is the way it is anymore. His only motivation for even bringing the topic up was to take a shot at Jamie Pollard. If you can't see that then you are blind. He rants about everything negative he can think of when it comes to ISU and Pollard. He used to rant about GMAC but now he has to spoon with him at night so his crappy website won't go down in flames. Matt should stick to what he knows.... Creighton, Nebraska football, verbally abusing his ex girlfriends on his radio show, and the Red Sox. If he strays from those topics then he is way, WAY out of his element.

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Originally Posted by Clark

No they wouldn't. They'd win their fair share and would make it really tough for teams like Iowa and Wisconsin but they aren't dominating OSU, Michigan, or PSU.

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Teams like Iowa and Wisky wouldn't sniff sharing conference titles and yes, Texas would be the cream of the crop between OSU, Michigan, and PSU.

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Originally Posted by Cloned4Life

Teams like Iowa and Wisky wouldn't sniff sharing conference titles and yes, Texas would be the cream of the crop between OSU, Michigan, and PSU.

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Slightly off topic but I do remember when Northwestern was co-champions of the Big 10 in 2000 and had to play a disappointed Nebraska squad in the Alamo Bowl. You would think the Big 10 co-champions would put up more of a fight then the 66-17 thrashing Nebraska handed them. Ouch. :biglaugh:

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Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78

Let's face it... OSU played Texas 3 times in the last 3 or 4 years and lost 2 out of 3. That isn't saying much for OSU. Michigan and Penn State haven't been much for the Big 10 to brag about either.

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3 games is not a good sample size. The tradition/prestige of Michigan, OSU, and PSU is every bit as good as Texas'

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Originally Posted by Cloned4Life

Teams like Iowa and Wisky wouldn't sniff sharing conference titles and yes, Texas would be the cream of the crop between OSU, Michigan, and PSU.

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You mean like how teams like Kansas St wouldn't sniff one either:skeptical:

Texas wouldn't be just another school, but let's not get too carried away.

People have to remember teams have cycles. Each of them can be up and down over time.

I am a fan of Iowa & ISU, but I don't find Jon's comment out of line about he would rather play Texas every year instead of OSU every year. Reasonable fans can disagree and each can give their reasons. Honestly, I think I would rather face Texas right now than OSU every year also.

One thing about playing Texas is if Ferentz would have some success against them and raise the Iowa identity there are a lot of recruits down there to pull out of that state. If they play Texas and A&M that may open a lot of doors down there. I don't mean all the 4 &5 star kids are coming to Iowa but if they could even get a couple and develop a pipeline, Ferentz can find a lot of 3 star kids he can win with out of there I bet. Ferentz has shown a great ability for devloping players. So I think it could be a great opportunity for Ferentz while at Iowa.

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Originally Posted by Clark

3 games is not a good sample size. The tradition/prestige of Michigan, OSU, and PSU is every bit as good as Texas'

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You are right. 3 games isn't a very big sample size but it certainly does show that Texas is more then capable of handling OSU year in and year out. They had 1 win with Vince Young. They lost the game when Colt McCoy was a freshman and then won the bowl game his junior year. The 3 game track record isn't good for OSU.

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Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

Hey Jon, I do have a question, why doesn't Steve ever post here?

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Because this site killed his old Cyclone site, which was the reason he pretended to be a Cyclone fan in the first place.