Villanova Football to Big East?

[CyJack13]

They would if it were an elite basketball program, great academic school, a member of the conference for several years and was located in a great recruiting area. This is a unique situation that the other bcs conferences won't have. I'm sure the transition wouldn't be automatic, if you look at the past this is exactly what happened when the added UCONN. That worked out fine, they would play an indpedant schedule for a few years until they got facilities upgraded and schollies filled etc... It's pretty narrow minded to think its not a great idea.

The Big East should probably not be a BCS conference now. Adding Villanova is not going to improve the quality of the conference. If they want to join the Big East for football, fine, but then they either need to lose their auto BCS bid or the NCAA needs to give the MWC an auto bid too. UConn is nothing more than an average football team at best, adding an average to below average team, like Nova would be when they joined, is not going to strengthen the conference.

[CyForPresident]

The Big East should probably not be a BCS conference now. Adding Villanova is not going to improve the quality of the conference. If they want to join the Big East for football, fine, but then they either need to lose their auto BCS bid or the NCAA needs to give the MWC an auto bid too. UConn is nothing more than an average football team at best, adding an average to below average team, like Nova would be when they joined, is not going to strengthen the conference.

UConn is freaking good. They were 15 points from 12-0 last season.

2009 8-5, Bowl win
2008 8-5, Bowl win
2007 9-4, Second in Big East
2006 4-8
2005 5-6
2004 8-4, Bowl win
2003 9-3, No Bowl
2002 6-6, Beat ISU

Since UConn joined D1-AA in 2002 they have gone 57-41. ISU has been playing D1-AA football for over a 100 years and has 3 bowl wins. UConn matched that number in 8 years.

Its not insane to think Villanova could become a good team.

[heitclone]

UConn is freaking good. They were 15 points from 12-0 last season.

2009 8-5, Bowl win
2008 8-5, Bowl win
2007 9-4, Second in Big East
2006 4-8
2005 5-6
2004 8-4, Bowl win
2003 9-3, No Bowl
2002 6-6, Beat ISU

Since UConn joined D1-AA in 2002 they have gone 57-41. ISU has been playing D1-AA football for over a 100 years and has 3 bowl wins. UConn matched that number in 8 years.

Its not insane to think Villanova could become a good team.

Exactly, in less than a decade they have more bowl wins than we do. If ISU had that kind of a run no one around here would think they were "average at best".

[CyJack13]

UConn is freaking good. They were 15 points from 12-0 last season.

2009 8-5, Bowl win
2008 8-5, Bowl win
2007 9-4, Second in Big East
2006 4-8
2005 5-6
2004 8-4, Bowl win
2003 9-3, No Bowl
2002 6-6, Beat ISU

Since UConn joined D1-AA in 2002 they have gone 57-41. ISU has been playing D1-AA football for over a 100 years and has 3 bowl wins. UConn matched that number in 8 years.

Its not insane to think Villanova could become a good team.

A) If we're comparing football teams to Iowa St, most teams in the country would then be considered "freaking good". 57-41 is a pretty average record. Having an average record of 7-5 each season is not good, it's average.

B) They play in the weakest BCS conference. If ISU's toughest games were against West Virginia and Pitt, I would imagine our record might be better too.

[CyForPresident]

A) If we're comparing football teams to Iowa St, most teams in the country would then be considered "freaking good". 57-41 is a pretty average record. Having an average record of 7-5 each season is not good, it's average.

B) They play in the weakest BCS conference. If ISU's toughest games were against West Virginia and Pitt, I would imagine our record might be better too.

Over those same 8 years, ISU is 39-60. I would give anything to have their success.

The Big East is not that weak of a conference.
Final AP Poll Top 25
2009 - 3 Big East teams, 3 Big 12 teams
2008 - 2 Big East teams, 5 Big 12 teams
2007 - 2 Big East teams, 5 Big 12 teams
2006 - 3 Big East teams, 2 Big 12 teams
2005 - 2 Big East teams, 4 Big 12 teams (First season after the raid)
2004 - 2 Big East teams, 3 Big 12 teams
2003 - 1 Big East teams, 4 Big 12 teams
2002 - 4 Big East teams, 4 Big 12 teams

They are honestly pretty similar. I do believe the B12 is a better conference, but these things go in cycles. 2007 and 2008 were ridiculous years for the B12, but 2009 was and 2010 will be down years. The Big East is pretty good right now with Pitt, WV, and Cincy all being in the national title hunt the last few years. That conference has a lot of parity.

[CyJack13]

Over those same 8 years, ISU is 39-60. I would give anything to have their success.

The Big East is not that weak of a conference.
Final AP Poll Top 25
2009 - 3 Big East teams, 3 Big 12 teams
2008 - 2 Big East teams, 5 Big 12 teams
2007 - 2 Big East teams, 5 Big 12 teams
2006 - 3 Big East teams, 2 Big 12 teams
2005 - 2 Big East teams, 4 Big 12 teams (First season after the raid)
2004 - 2 Big East teams, 3 Big 12 teams
2003 - 1 Big East teams, 4 Big 12 teams
2002 - 4 Big East teams, 4 Big 12 teams

They are honestly pretty similar. I do believe the B12 is a better conference, but these things go in cycles. 2007 and 2008 were ridiculous years for the B12, but 2009 was and 2010 will be down years. The Big East is pretty good right now with Pitt, WV, and Cincy all being in the national title hunt the last few years. That conference has a lot of parity.

Like I said, most programs look good when compared to ISU. Also, when was Pitt ever in the national title hunt? The Big East has some decent teams, but they don't have any elite teams. I bet if your broke down the number of top ten teams over that same period the B12 would have an even greater advantage. The fact is the Big East has never had an at large team selected for a BCS bowl, they are a step below the Big 12, Big 10, SEC, and Pac-10. They are probably closest to the MWC but since they used to be a major conference when they had Miami and Virginia Tech they got to keep their BCS bid, while the MWC still doesn't have one.

[CyForPresident]

Like I said, most programs look good when compared to ISU. Also, when was Pitt ever in the national title hunt? The Big East has some decent teams, but they don't have any elite teams. I bet if your broke down the number of top ten teams over that same period the B12 would have an even greater advantage. The fact is the Big East has never had an at large team selected for a BCS bowl, they are a step below the Big 12, Big 10, SEC, and Pac-10. They are probably closest to the MWC but since they used to be a major conference when they had Miami and Virginia Tech they got to keep their BCS bid, while the MWC still doesn't have one.

Last year. Pitt was 9-1 with two games left against WV and Cincy. They win those 2 games and Texas or Bama lost, they could've had an argument for the Title Game. Louisville was right there not to long ago too.

I agree, I think the Big East is behind the B10, B12, P10, and SEC. Those 4 conferences are the cream and have been for a while. The Big East, ACC, and MWC are pretty much the second tier. The schools in those conferences haven't had a National Champ in a while, but they are still really good conferences with a lot of depth.

I'm in favor of the MWC getting AQ status by the way.

[CyBroncos]

I'm in favor of the MWC getting AQ status by the way.

Before Utah left with Boise joining, absolutely...now, not so much.

[CyBroncos]

B) They play in the weakest BCS conference. If ISU's toughest games were against West Virginia and Pitt, I would imagine our record might be better too.

Or flip that around, if UCONN was playing in the Big 12 with an annual non-conference game against Iowa, their record wouldn't be nearly as sparkling

[CyForPresident]

Before Utah left with Boise joining, absolutely...now, not so much.

Boise replaces Utah, so its pretty much the same IMO.

[CyBroncos]

Boise replaces Utah, so its pretty much the same IMO.

And I didn't think it was quite worthy yet before Boise State joined. If Utah had stuck around then yeah a conference with Utah, TCU, Boise State and BYU definitely should get a BCS AQ bid...especially if the Big East has one

[CyForPresident]

And I didn't think it was quite worthy yet before Boise State joined. If Utah had stuck around then yeah a conference with Utah, TCU, Boise State and BYU definitely should get a BCS AQ bid...especially if the Big East has one

With Utah, definitely, but I still think they deserve it without them. BYU, Boise, and TCU are top 25. Wyoming and Air Force are solid and both won over 7 games and a bowl last year. Its the bottom 4 that are really holding them back, but if UNLV or SDSU were a BCS school, they would be successful pretty quick IMO.

Honestly, if the MWC was an AQ status, the BCS system would be pretty near perfect. There would be zero teams with an argument of exclusion in the last decade that are not in the BCS. I hope and believe they will get it with counting Utah and Boise.

[Al_4_State]

The Big East really isn't anywhere close as bad as they're made out to be. They usually go .500 or better against other BCS conferences, and have the best bowl record over the past 5 years.

They don't have a traditional powerhouse, so they get ripped on when top to bottom they're, AT WORST no worse than the ACC or Pac 10. The ACC just has a few more "name" programs.

ISU would do about the same in the Big East (or any other BCS conference save the SEC) right now that we did last year in the Big 12.

I don't think they're that serious about Nova football. UCF, ECU, or Memphis all make more sense. They all play in BCS sized stadiums and have decent success.

[theshadow]

The Big East really isn't anywhere close as bad as they're made out to be. They usually go .500 or better against other BCS conferences, and have the best bowl record over the past 5 years.

Their biggest problem is that they only have 8 teams. That's 7 league games and 5 non-conference games.

[AlumNi]

Not gonna happen for Nova for any time in the near future. I believe the NCAA currently has a moratorium on new members joining Division I and/or FBS.