Should the wrestling program's $'s be shifted to FB and or MBB?

**Scott34** · 01-23-2012, 01:51 PM

Love how the hate for a sport grows when they have a couple down years. But what sport at Iowa State had an actual shot at winning a national title at in recent years. It hasnt been football...it hasnt been basketball...yes it was wrestling. Getting pretty tired of fellow fair weather cyclone fans on this board. Guess we should of considered shutting down the mens basketball program a couple years ago then too!

**bellzisu** · 01-23-2012, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by VeloClone

This isn't directed at you, but I think the ruder posters are the ones that keep bringing up that the program should be cut just because there has been turnover at the top of the program and they have struggled the past couple of years.

You could be right about it. Like I said... It's a few that really sour it for everyone else, and kinda make you root against the sport.

**HuddleUp** · 01-23-2012, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by LegendofRodA

I'm guessing with the potential increase in revenues from the new Big 12 deal, the $ from the wrestling program would be very miniscual...I could be wrong.

From what I can tell, the wrestling budget is around $800,000 per year.

**brett108** · 01-23-2012, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by brianhos

Wrestling as a major sport in the US is dying, so it will happen eventually.

Wrestling as a high school sport is actually going up. You have no facts to back up your statement do you? Other than NCAA programs are being cut, primarilly because the NCAA is a business. There has never been a good professional avenue for wrestlers other than coaching, but the sport shouldn't die because of that.

**alarson** · 01-23-2012, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Scott34

Love how the hate for a sport grows when they have a couple down years. But what sport at Iowa State had an actual shot at winning a national title at in recent years. It hasnt been football...it hasnt been basketball...yes it was wrestling. Getting pretty tired of fellow fair weather cyclone fans on this board. Guess we should of considered shutting down the mens basketball program a couple years ago then too!

It doesnt mean all that much to be 'in contention for a national title' when most of the elites aren't playing.

I'll put the accomplishments of the VB team (2 elite 8s in 4 years), and even the WBB team (elite 8 in 09) up against what wrestling has done the last 10 years.

**aeroclone** · 01-23-2012, 01:57 PM

I would guess that the amount of money we could pull from wrestling wouldn't make a difference for MBB of FB.

That said, I really don't give a crap about any of our sports outside of FB and MBB. I will follow the programs if they are winning and making some noise nationally, like VB and WBB in the last few years, but I still don't care about it on the level of the big two. If you told me that gonig forward, we could go to a bowl game and make the NCAA MBB tournament every year for the next 10 years but we wouldn't win a single game in any other sport for that time, I would take that deal in a second.

**LutherBlue** · 01-23-2012, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by bellzisu

Part of me wants to see it done just to shut up some of the wrestling people on site. The ones that are extremely rude and treat posters like crap, that ask questions about wrestling, coaching, and general what is wrong things.

I don't care one way or another. Sure I want them to do well and represent ISU and win. Other then that... Yipppeee...

I never got into wrestling. I tried, but when you ask questions, or try to follow and you have some rude *** poster on this site complaining about it, really not worth the time. Some wrestling fans are the worse fans you can find. Not trying to lump everyone in. I'm sure someone will get offended and usually that is the person I'm talking about.

Can someone give this guy a hug?

**alarson** · 01-23-2012, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by brett108

Other than NCAA programs are being cut,

This is kind of a big deal, not just some little detail to be brushed away.

**CarolinaCy** · 01-23-2012, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by alarson

I dont like soccer all that much, but id be more interested in soccer than wrestling, honestly.

Should we cut off funds for wrestling? Probably not. I doubt the budget would be that much that it would have a noticeable effect if switched to MBB\FB anyways. On the other side, I wouldnt say we should be putting big investments into it going forward though (for a dedicated facility or anything like that). As others have said, its a dying sport. It may be fun for some to brag that its something we're good at, but it doesnt mean much when a lot of the elites dont bother with having a program.

I don't know how much, but I would guess there will a fairly sizeable investment to convert the current football space into space for the wrestling program. At least that was the plan that Pollard mentioned. Probably not on the order of anything we've spent on BB or FB, but enough to show that wrestling isn't going anywhere at ISU anytime soon.

**HuddleUp** · 01-23-2012, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Scott34

Love how the hate for a sport grows when they have a couple down years. But what sport at Iowa State had an actual shot at winning a national title at in recent years. It hasnt been football...it hasnt been basketball...yes it was wrestling. Getting pretty tired of fellow fair weather cyclone fans on this board. Guess we should of considered shutting down the mens basketball program a couple years ago then too!

Can't speak for others, but for me, it has nothing to do with the program. It's a business decision and nothing else. I'd ask the same question if we'd had great success the last few years.

To me, it's also a more pertinent question for Iowa State given our standing in athletic budgets compared to other B12 schools. It's shifting money to a more profitable and impactful program. $800,000 per year is $800,000 per year. If we're OSU and we have a Pickens writing checks, this isn't a consideration.

**DCR** · 01-23-2012, 02:01 PM

I'm an ex ISU wrestler and I would like to step on the mat with the one who started this thread!!!!

**isuno1fan** · 01-23-2012, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by HuddleUp

Yeah... I'll admit. It's not quite up to the standards of every one of your 13,000 Pythagoras-like thoughts. By the way, your brilliance doesn't quite fit with your pornstar avatars, though.

I'll have you know that young lady is not a pornstar and I don't think she'd like being called one. She is a "model" and only a "model".

**brett108** · 01-23-2012, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by alarson

This is kind of a big deal, not just some little detail to be brushed away.

There are plenty of NCAA programs that lose money. Like EVERYTHING BUT FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL. Yet we don't call for the end of Christy Johnson Lynch's program. And don't bring up Title IX, this conversation should be independent of that. Without it, why should we not end Volleyball? I am sure that before CJL got here you know how good our team was considering how big a fan you are? I will give you a hint. We were one of the worst programs in the NCAA.

So yeah, lets kill the most historically successful program at ISU. Now I know why hawk fans ride ISU fans so hard. Most deserve it.

**buf87** · 01-23-2012, 02:07 PM

If it is a business decision, I bet there is a lot of student activities that we could get rid of that make no difference to the average fan. All the clubs that get any finanicial assistance could be cut, etc. It is not a business decision, it is providing a well rounded academic facility for all students and fans. I could care less about Gymnastics, but I don't want it cut.

**buf87** · 01-23-2012, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by alarson

It doesnt mean all that much to be 'in contention for a national title' when most of the elites aren't playing.

I'll put the accomplishments of the VB team (2 elite 8s in 4 years), and even the WBB team (elite 8 in 09) up against what wrestling has done the last 10 years.

3rd in 2010
3rd in 2009
5th in 2008
2nd in 2007

Just so we know what we've done prior to last season in wrestling, this season isn't done yet.