Pre Jamie Pollard versus Now

**ajk4st8** · 03-02-2008, 07:59 PM

Very frustrating when people expect us to look different game to game in the season. You might make small changes, but our glaring weaknesses wont change until personel does.

Coach Mac will only begin to succeed when we can put together an offense. He teaches defensive and rebounding skills perfectly.

Just not sure if his offense will do to well against the big 12. Time will tell.

**ISUChippewa** · 03-02-2008, 08:05 PM

Just to bring up a hypothetical question for everyone, how do you think the Missouri/LE party situation would have played out under Pollard as opposed to BVDV?

**SeattleClone** · 03-02-2008, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by ISUChippewa

Just to bring up a hypothetical question for everyone, how do you think the Missouri/LE party situation would have played out under Pollard as opposed to BVDV?

That's an excellent question! I guess it depends on whether or not Pollard likes to party. BVDV...not so much.

Seriously though, good question.

**jumbopackage** · 03-02-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by ISUChippewa

Just to bring up a hypothetical question for everyone, how do you think the Missouri/LE party situation would have played out under Pollard as opposed to BVDV?

I think it really just depends on what BVDV knew and when he knew it. It's hard to say what Pollard would have done, but I suspect it would have been much less of a black eye to the university than it ended up being, if for no other reason than Jamie is a way better marketer and "spin master".

**Angie** · 03-02-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by SeattleClone

That's an excellent question! I guess it depends on whether or not Pollard likes to party. BVDV...not so much.

Seriously though, good question.

I wonder if it would have ever gotten as far along as it did? Depends on what was known before then...

**ajjohnson** · 03-02-2008, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by isucy86

Even during the Elite 8 & Hampton years- I would say the overall quality of student athlete wasn't to a standard that ISU should aspire to.

I am sure if we had players who looked like they were from Iowa you would be happier with the "standard" of student athlete. What a joke, you should be ashamed of yourself for ripping the accomplishments of those two championship teams.

**SeattleClone** · 03-02-2008, 08:11 PM

If JT shaved points, he is the bad guy...not LE.

**Bobber** · 03-02-2008, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by ISUChippewa

Just to bring up a hypothetical question for everyone, how do you think the Missouri/LE party situation would have played out under Pollard as opposed to BVDV?

I think JP would have been more proactive about taking care of the problem sooner. He probably would have forced LE to seek some help for his drinking problem. The incident perhaps would have never happened.

That being said, LE was extremely strong willed(no kidding

), and I have feeling he JP would have butted heads just as much as BVD. If everything had gone down the same, I think JP would have let him go too.

**ajjohnson** · 03-02-2008, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Angie

My husband used to work for a company that would take him to the NCAA tournaments. He happened to be at the tournament in Atlanta in 2002 or 2003 or whenever. He had been at a party and they came back to the hotel, and just so happened to stop at the bar. There was a huge group of people in the corner, being loud and raucous. The one who happened to be the loudest, drunkest, and swearing the most was our very own LE.

While it was very nice of Larry to buy my husband a drink and talk to him, it isn't necessarily the way I feel comfortable with our school being represented. Talking to others about "Tinsley f-ing shaving points" doesn't necessarily give the best image. He was having a good time, which is great, but I think having a coach who is a role model is exceptional. It's the same reason why I liked McCarney, and why I think Chizik seems to be a good fit.

And there are also hundreds of other stories you could tell you about Larry Eustachy visiting sick children and being an excellent role model for our university. Smearing him in an Iowa State forum by our own fans quoting third hand stories from a bar doesn't exactly make me comfortable and proud to be an Iowa State grad to tell you the truth.

**06_CY** · 03-02-2008, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by SeattleClone

If JT shaved points, he is the bad guy...not LE.

Exactly. The point shaving is a big rumor that I believe to be true (heard from too many that it is true). Too many events happened in that game that Tinsley normally wouldn't do.

**Angie** · 03-02-2008, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by ajjohnson

And there are also hundreds of other stories you could tell you about Larry Eustachy visiting sick children and being an excellent role model for our university. Smearing him in an Iowa State forum by our own fans quoting third hand stories from a bar doesn't exactly make me comfortable and proud to be an Iowa State grad to tell you the truth.

I didn't smear anyone - I actually typed as my husband dictated the story, so it was told by someone who was there. That is actually first-hand, as he then came over and checked the story for accuracy.

I think he was/is a great coach, and did some great things, but I think it would be pretty tough to deny that alcohol can make you do some stupid things. When you are one of the two or three most visible people at a university, that might not be something that goes unnoticed, right?

**Bobber** · 03-02-2008, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by ajjohnson

And there are also hundreds of other stories you could tell you about Larry Eustachy visiting sick children and being an excellent role model for our university. Smearing him in an Iowa State forum by our own fans quoting third hand stories from a bar doesn't exactly make me comfortable and proud to be an Iowa State grad to tell you the truth.

My story isn't third hand. It happened to me and it was not a good experience. And all you had to do was go to a game to hear all the cursing(as many little children did).

Larry made his own bed. History will say he was one of the best coaches ISU ever had, and also one of the worst....

**isucyfan** · 03-02-2008, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Bobber

Larry made his own bed.

I bet Larry would admit as much.

I wonder if what happened to him was the best thing that could have happened, in a roundabout way.

**ajjohnson** · 03-02-2008, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Go2Guy

Holy crap; Eustachy was telling others he thought Tinsley shaved points ?@??# This is the first time I heard that.

I always wondered why Tinsley, with the ball & 1-point lead with 30-seconds vs Hampton, took a 12-foot shot instead of pulling up and dribbling out the clock.

Seriously, if JT shaved points, and LE is drunk in a bar telling everybody in earshot, then the AD had every reason to can his butt, and I hope for the sake of our history, everyone can end the LE idol-worship and never bring him back for a reunion half-time show.

I know of one LE story that occurred after we took a 30-point pounding at TX, the year of our second B12 title, and would make the Mizzou coed story seem like a Sunday church brunch.

First off the spread against Hampton was a hell of lot more than one point, making this observation and the rest of the allegations in this post complete nonsense. If anyone in our athletic department had any knowlege of point shaving they would have had to report it by law. To act like there were all these rumors the fans knew and the athletic department didn't is ridiculous. Do you really think we would have given Larry hundreds of thousands of dollars to walk away if any of this were remotely true. This reminds me of some of the completely ridiculous rumors flying around Iowa City towards the end of the Alford era. What a huge load of garbage in this thread. Its great that our own fans trash one of our greatest coaches on an ISU message board with hearsay from a bar when alcohol is involved.

**Go2Guy** · 03-02-2008, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by ajjohnson

And there are also hundreds of other stories you could tell you about Larry Eustachy visiting sick children and being an excellent role model for our university. Smearing him in an Iowa State forum by our own fans quoting third hand stories from a bar doesn't exactly make me comfortable and proud to be an Iowa State grad to tell you the truth.

It's not a 3rd hand story if the woman's husband was there, in person, hearing LE's words directly. LE smeared his own reputation and his actions, not reported on the front page of the Rag, made many of us ISU fans uncomfortable.